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RE: Properties of Custom Paint

From: François REMY <francois.remy.dev@outlook.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 23:34:25 +0200
Message-ID: <DUB405-EAS190CE8416815752B2C6FF5A5C20@phx.gbl>
To: "'Ian Kilpatrick'" <ikilpatrick@chromium.org>, <public-houdini@w3.org>
> We wanted to start kicking off more discussions on the mailing list. 
> As a starting point Shane & I sat down and wrote up what we think
> are the desirable properties of custom paint.
> 
> See https://gist.github.com/bfgeek/758b54a1cab65dff9d69

Hi,

I was wondering whether similar problems had already been faced in other areas of the web platform and what we could learn from there, and thought about the following thing: Web Audio. Indeed, audio processing is entirely done on sound coprocessors nowadays and the Web Audio's Editors wanted to make sure the whole audio API would not prevent them from delegating the work to those coprocessors; this is a similar problem to how we have to make sure the GPU does most of the work and we don't want to give too much imperative expressiveness to the custom paint at the wrong location in the pipeline but somehow more of a declarative form whose building blocks can be imperative but are handled at some other level.

Let's see how the comparison work: Some "Web Audio elements" are native elements which are "painted/vocalized" by the browser (like "mp3 files"). However, you can "custom-paint/vocalize" some other sounds by using tone generators (which we could assimilate to the DrawRectangle operation in our 2d case) or by streaming your own file generated on the fly (which is about reusing the browser native logic but by providing yourself the input to interpret, much like we do on an HTML Canvas).

The magic about Web Audio is that the whole thing can be described as a graph of operations which can be done in parallel (channel processing like gain/frequence-balancing), and then joins where appropriate in "mixing" nodes (which we could interpret as "compositing" in our 2d world). In short, the graph represents what has to be orchestrated by the browser, and it's still up to the browser to orchestrate this work.

I was wondering whether or not it would be feasible to have the paint phase generate such a "Web Paint" graph instead of going directly to the GPU [of course, only when an element is in Custom-Paint mode, since we want it with reflective info about which content/background/border/outline/section of an element is the source of each painting node), and let some background worker modify these instructions to its liking (for instance by adding some GPU shaders at some points, by adding some new paints at interesting locations, etc). When this is done, we would convert back this modified "Web Paint" graph to a set of GPU instructions.

In short, I propose to serialize the painting step of the browser in a graph, let a script change the resulting graph, and then unserialize the modified graph and send it to the GPU.

An issue would be that browser probably don't paint the same things the same way, but if we stay on a high-level-enough we may have success in standardizing the basic building blocks to move forward.

What do you think? Does the Web Audio analogy hold? Do you have a better one?
Best regards,
François
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