W3C

GRDDL WG Weekly

6 Dec 2006

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
DanC, FabienG, bwm, HarryH, Ian_Davis
Regrets
Chime, danja, Murray, BenA
Chair
HarryH
Scribe
DanC

Contents


Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-12-06T11:00-0500

<scribe> Scribe: DanC

RESOLUTION: to approve minutes 22 Nov http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Nov/att-0096/22-grddl-wg-minutes.html

DanC: regrets 13 Dec due to TAG meeting

RESOLUTION: to meet again 13 Dec; Brian M to scribe

GRDDL and (non-XML) HTML

<scribe> ACTION: Fabien to add a sentence about non-XML HTML in the Use Case document [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

DanC: I'd like to actually have a tidy use case, with caveats

<scribe> ACTION: Fabien to add a tidy/tag-soup use case/paragraph, with caveats [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

FG: how to say it?

DanC: we don't have to write a formal spec; just a story...
... one guy forgot a / in his <br />; it worked; for another guy, it didn't work

Test cases for GRDDL with XML documents

<scribe> ACTION: Chime to verify http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#projectsSpreadsheet [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

DanC: see http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/2006-11-30.html#T03-25-10
... I suggest discussion of title_author isn't done

PROPOSED: to approve http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#rdfa1 (http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/rdf_sem.html http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/rdf_sem-output.rdf )

lack of critical mass.

<scribe> ACTION: bwm to review testlist1#rdfa1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

Chime http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Dec/0005.html

<scribe> ACTION: HH to respond to Chime, clarifying song/album and discussing bNode vs URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

<Zakim> FabienG, you wanted to ask aboout a teste case with SAWSDL

DanC: a SAWSDL test case sounds great; then we can look at whether it merits screenspace as a use case

HH: status of SAWSDL?

FG: last call WD
... since 28 Sep

<scribe> ACTION: FG to make a SAWSDL test sketch [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

[#issue-output-formats] transformations may produce other than RDF/XML?

<scribe> ACTION: DanJa to provide XSLT transformation from Atom to N3,and one case where it works [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

<bwm> ScribeNick: bwm

danc: there is an atomOwl testcase
... it requires taking text and inferring its n3
... would be cleaner to use a mime type
... but there isn't one
... tim is encouraging us to use the mime type on the assumption it will be registered
... that may be a good idea
... not sure we can approve the test case
... issue of whether the xslt case is suffciently well specified

brian: what about other scripting languages

FabienG is excused

scribe: we could output a wrapper

danc: that doesn't help with the motivating use cases

brian: ok

<DanC> PROPOSED: to resolve issue-output-formats by (1) adding formal rules to cover the case of of the XSLT 1.0 and RDF/XML (2) to allow other output formats as exemplified by the Atom/turtle test case

RESOLUTION: to resolve issue-output-formats by (1) adding formal rules to cover the case of of the XSLT 1.0 and RDF/XML (2) to allow other output formats as exemplified by the Atom/turtle test case

<DanC> ACTION: DanC to write rules about XSLT 1.0 processing context [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

<DanC> ACTION: DanC to add N3/turtle mime type to Atom/turtle test case. noting the unregistered status [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

<DanC> ScribeNick: DanC

Ian: anybody know of N3 registration status?

DanC: it's been discussed recently in a W3C/IETF telcon; tim sorta has the ball

HH: we could push that in the CG

<scribe> ACTION: HH to poke semweb cg re N3 media type registration [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

Cross-document Introduction

<scribe> ACTION: bwm to have a closer look at the Stephen King Example in the spec. [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

HH: Happy with the new MusicBrainz example?

BWM: Hendrix the person vs the experience?

DanC: it's a group with 3 people

<scribe> ACTION: Danja to suggest wording changes in light of recent comment on cross-document introduction [WITHDRAWN] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

<scribe> ACTION: Ian to reconsider comments on cross-document introduction [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

[#issue-mt-ns]

<scribe> ACTION: Murray to write up the pros and cons of different approaches [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

<DanC_> XInclude or not

<scribe> ACTION: HH to integrate Murray's XInclude test case sketch into the test collection [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

BWM: imagine d.xml -> t.xslt ; t.xslt produes { a b c. d e f. } regardless of input...
... is { a b c } a grddl result?

DanC: no, not per current editor's draft

[#issue-base-param]

<DanC_> Issue-base-param: do we need the parameter? McBride, Brian (Thursday, 30 November)

BWM: is this approach OK?

HH: sounds good

<scribe> ACTION: BWM to produce ~3 test cases for #issue-base-param [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

Primer Document

<scribe> ACTION: Harry and Brian to rewrite second part of primer to use Brian and Dan's instance data. [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

HH: I have done all but check the stuff in
... I need to double-check the SPARQL queries

DanC: I've thought about taking the primer examples and putting them in the test suite...

<scribe> ACTION: IanD to integrate primer examples into test suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

GRDDL Spec: General issues

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to create a "normative only" view of the GRDDL spec. [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

see http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec_lean

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to add a sample implementation appendix to the GRDDL spec. [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#implExp

DanC: RDFa timing is tricky
... http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#issue-html-nsdoc is new

Schedule Pondering

IanD: a month slip is comfortable-ish, but let's not slip into "spring"

Brian: GRDDL is important, so I can probably stick around for a while...
... yeah... sending some "done" signal at WWW2007 in May

Post-meeting review of actions

<scribe> ACTION: iand to construct a content negotiation test case [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to enumerate options for base issue, pick one, and propose it in the form of a test case. [WITHDRAWN] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

<scribe> ACTION: chime to help danc with test cases on base param issue [WITHDRAWN] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]

DanC: [post-script-ish] so last call in Dec/Jan, and PR before May sounds about right.
... if the 1st last call wins, we could even get REC before May.

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: BWM to produce ~3 test cases for #issue-base-param [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: bwm to review testlist1#rdfa1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to add N3/turtle mime type to Atom/turtle test case. noting the unregistered status [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to write rules about XSLT 1.0 processing context [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Fabien to add a tidy/tag-soup use case/paragraph, with caveats [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: FG to make a SAWSDL test sketch [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: HH to integrate Murray's XInclude test case sketch into the test collection [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: HH to poke semweb cg re N3 media type registration [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: HH to respond to Chime, clarifying song/album and discussing bNode vs URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Ian to reconsider comments on cross-document introduction [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: IanD to integrate primer examples into test suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: DanC to add a sample implementation appendix to the GRDDL spec. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[PENDING] ACTION: Harry and Brian to rewrite second part of primer to use Brian and Dan's instance data. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[PENDING] ACTION: iand to construct a content negotiation test case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
 
[DONE] ACTION: bwm to have a closer look at the Stephen King Example in the spec. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[DONE] ACTION: Chime to verify http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#projectsSpreadsheet [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[DONE] ACTION: DanC to create a "normative only" view of the GRDDL spec. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[DONE] ACTION: DanJa to provide XSLT transformation from Atom to N3,and one case where it works [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[DONE] ACTION: Fabien to add a sentence about non-XML HTML in the Use Case document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[DONE] ACTION: Murray to write up the pros and cons of different approaches [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
 
[DROPPED] ACTION: chime to help danc with test cases on base param issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[DROPPED] ACTION: DanC to enumerate options for base issue, pick one, and propose it in the form of a test case. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Danja to suggest wording changes in light of recent comment on cross-document introduction [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-grddl-wg-irc]
 
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