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minutes for review: Aug 8 2006 (3:30 ET) GRDDL WG meeting

From: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:41:41 -0500
To: public-grddl-wg@w3.org
Message-Id: <1155159701.30621.464.camel@dirk.w3.org>

On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 16:42 +0100, Harry Halpin wrote:
> Here's the agenda items for our meeting tomorrow:

And here is the record for review. If you see
anything that should be fixed, please note it in
reply to this message (and copy the whole list, please).
If it's a large change, I'll send another draft.
Otherwise, your correction will be in the archive next
to this one, and we'll note it in the minutes
of the next meeting.


In hypertext:

 http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes

and plain text:
GRDDL Working Group 2006-08-09
9 Aug 2006
Attendees
Present
        DanC, iand, chimezie, Ben_Adida, Rachael, FabienGandon, Danny,
        HarryH, Brian_Suda
Regrets
Chair
        Harry
Scribe
        DanC
Contents
      * Topics 
             1. Introductions and Request for New Agenda Items
             2. Finding Best Time for Re-occuring Meetings
             3. Concerns and issues with GRDDL submission
             4. Brainstorming and solidifying use-cases
             5. Editorial work, short term assignments
             6. Scribe for next meeting
      * Summary of Action Items

See also: IRC log


________________________________________________________________________
Introductions and Request for New Agenda Items
DanC: I'm your W3C team contact. If the web site is broken or whatever,
write to sysreq@w3.org and copy me, connolly@w3.org. I also do TAG and
some research stuff.

IanD: work for talis; author of Embedded RDF

Chime: working at cleveland clinic; using XML, RDF, and XSLT for
clinical research data

Ben: finishing up a PhD at MIT on [mostly] unrelated stuff. more
relevant to this group, I chair the RDF/XHTML task force, where we're
developing RDFa, which is closely related

Rachael: working on imaging technologies in Citigroup.

Fabien: I'm researcher at INRIA in France... knowledge representation,
conceptual graphs. We've been looking at RDF in wikis.

DannyA: I'm a freelance developer/writer, mostly in semantic web stuff.
I'm quite interested in Atom and microformats; interested to see where
this GRDDL stuff goes

Harry: I'm your chair; working at Univ. Edinburgh with Henry Thompson...
interesting in XML mapping

Brian: I've been working on microformats; I developed the XSLT to
convert hCard to vCard, bit it could be converted to RDF just as well


Finding Best Time for Re-occuring Meetings
HH asks about this time (1930Z) vs 3 hours earlier (1630Z)

<HarryH> Conflict 3 hours earlier

scribe: vs 4 hours earlier (1530Z)

<HarryH> No objections?

Wednesday, August 16, 2006 at 15:00:00 UTC time

Chicago * Wed 10:00 AM

PROPOSED: to meet again Weds, August 16, 2006 at 15:00:00 UTC time

so RESOLVED.

HH: so let's try this for a week and see if it sticks as the regular
time


Concerns and issues with GRDDL submission
<Zakim> DanC, you wanted to note a list of issues in the author's draft
http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec

DanC: The current spec is a mix of teaching document and specification.
Many times I have had people read the document and yet not understand
various parts of GRDDL, so it's evidently not very well presented.
Perhaps better to have separate specification and Primer?

IanD: Different sections for implementers and authors, perhaps...


<iand> http://www.w3.org/2003/g/data-view

<iand> the document at that uri is more like what I imagine the author
part of the spec to be

DannyA: how about just one document?

Danc: well, we need one in /TR/ and I'd like the namespace/profile
document to stay at http://www.w3.org/2003/g/data-view

IanD: the profile document can reuse content from the specification

DanC: yes, that seems ideal


Brainstorming and solidifying use-cases
Chime: a use case: extracting RDF from XForms [?]
... e.g. a guy building an XForm thing to edit data on his weblog engine
... so data like media types, posting address, etc. can be extracted
from the XForm
... see also Baker's RDF Forms

<chimezie> xforms:submission documentation
http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms/slice3.html#structure-model-submission

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Jul/0014.html
* Re: use case: semantic wikis (some pointers) Fabien

Fabien: we've been looking at encoding wiki structure in RDF. tagging,
too.
... we're using XHTML with RDFa to persist the data

(DanC hopes wikipedia will go this way)

<FabienGandon> SweetWiki
(http://www-sop.inria.fr/acacia/soft/sweetwiki.html ) is a wiki that
stores its pages directly in XHTML and RDF annotations are used to
represent the wiki structure and are embedded in the wiki pages
themselves using the RDFa
( http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-rdfa-syntax ). This
embedded RDF is extracted using a GRDDL XSLT stylesheet to provide
semantic annotations dir

<FabienGandon> ectly to the semantic search engine. Therefore, if
someone sends a wiki page to someone else the annotations follow it, and
if an application crawls the wiki site it can extract the metadata and
reuse them. The RDF structure allows refactoring the wiki structure by
editing the RDF annotations and the RDFS schemas they are based on it.

Danny: consider somebody buying a guitar...
... suppose there's a service with aggregated instrument review data...
... the data could be aggregated from microformatted data using GRDDL
... using hReview
... you might be able to mix with hCards of your contacts
... and the aggregator should offer a SPARQL interface too
... this raises the issue that profile URIs aren't widely deployed in
microformat documents

<iand> sparql querying of html pages:
http://xmlarmyknife.org/blog/archives/000285.html

<briansuda> http://kitchen.technorati.com/review/search/

IanD: a couple use cases: (1) using SPARQL to query HTML pages; cf work
by Leigh Dodds [sp?]

<Zakim> DanC, you wanted to note our publication obligation and my hope
to use a tutorial/use case document to meet it

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2006Aug/0010.html W3C
Heartbeat requirement in SPARQL Bjoern Hoehrmann (Wednesday, 9 August)

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda

There was some discussion of using the ESW wiki, and setting
expecatations appropriately.

<iand> http://esw.w3.org/topic/GrddlResources

<iand> http://esw.w3.org/topic/MicroModels

I see http://esw.w3.org/topic/MicroModels

ah... there's the one I was looking for
http://esw.w3.org/topic/EmbeddingRDFinHTML

<Zakim> benadida, you wanted to bring up the use case of outputing RDFa
from GRDDL

BenA: another use case: putting the RDF inline, so you get, for example,
a calendar icon next to calendar items...
... one way to do that would be if GRDDL transformations would output
XHTML with RDFa
... suppose I want just one meeting from a schedule of meetings; this
suggests a way to get the RDF data that corresponds to just one part of
the page.


Editorial work, short term assignments
<Zakim> FabienGandon, you wanted to ask if we will have three docs: a
scenario gallery, a primer and a a tech spec.

Fabien offered to do some writing [missed which part]

was Chime the 2nd offer?

Ian Davis offered to help re-structuring

<HarryH> HarryH: Fabien offered to help with use-case gallery and primer

<HarryH> HarryH: Chime offered to help use case and primer as well.

<HarryH> HarryH: DanC fine with continuing to be lead on tech specs.

Fabien: the SemWeb Best Practices WG, we had an applications/demos task
force task forces.. using DOAP. Should se use DOAP/hDOAP in our use
cases?

DanC: that would make sense in some cases

Harry: the microformat use cases are interesting to me too; I'm
interested to work on those



<scribe> ACTION: IanD to propose restructuring of current GRDDL doc(s)
[recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]



<scribe> ACTION: Chime to flesh out XForms/RDF use case [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]



<scribe> ACTION: BenA to flesh out HTML output of GRDDL use cases
[recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]

[?]



<scribe> ACTION: Danny to flesh out hReview use case [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]

[?]

<danja> yep

<danja> + I'll look into an atom use case



<scribe> ACTION: Fabien to sketch out scenario gallery [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]



<HarryH> ACTION: Harry to Microformat suite [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]

DanC: feel free to use the esw to the extent that you're inclined, but
do send mail when you reach some level of completion of your action


Scribe for next meeting
IanD: I'm out next week

scribe for next week:Chime

and IanD after taht


Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: BenA to flesh out HTML output of GRDDL use cases [recorded
in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Chime to flesh out XForms/RDF use case [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Danny to flesh out hReview use case [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Fabien to sketch out scenario gallery [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Harry to Microformat suite [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: IanD to propose restructuring of current GRDDL doc(s)
[recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
 
[End of minutes]

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