Re: ISSUE-38 (Registered what?): Name of the vocab formerly known as Core Business Vocabulary, currently called Legal Entity [Organization Ontology]

Thanks Phil for the clarification!

If the intent is to provide additional vocabulary peculiar to
registered LEs for the purpose of (in essence) extending and
complementing ORG, et.al., then I vote for one of...

* Registered Legal Entity
* Registered Entity
* Registered Corporation

...in that order ;)

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 18/10/2012 13:41, John Erickson wrote:
>>
>> I think "Legal Entity" is strong choice, based on the commonly
>> accepted definition of "legal entity," which includes a laundry-list
>> of "entity" types that may enter into legal contracts.
>>
>> Recent popular usage has tilted toward financial institutions, but
>> that is largely due to the push for LEIs, driven by certain
>> policymaking. I think our work should concern the broader concept of
>> the "legal entity" and the definition of a vocabulary that may be
>> rigorously applied to *any* manner of LE's, including associations,
>> corporations (for-profit or not), partnerships, proprietorships,
>> trusts, or indeed individuals.
>>
>> Thus, it's not clear to me what registration has to do with
>> it...unless indeed we intend to exclude legal entities that aren't
>> registered. In which case, I wonder how we describe unregistered legal
>> entities.
>>
>> Perhaps I'm missing something here...
>
>
> Only that org:FormalOrganization is the class we have for the range of Legal
> Entities you mention. That's done and agreed as part of ORG. What we're
> after here is entries in a register, the act of registration being what
> creates the legal entity, hence various options around "Registered foo bar".
>
> HTH?
>
> Phil.
>
>
>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/18/2012 05:31 AM, Dave Reynolds wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 18/10/12 09:51, Government Linked Data Working Group Issue Tracker
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ISSUE-38 (Registered what?): Name of the vocab formerly known as Core
>>>>> Business Vocabulary, currently called Legal Entity [Organization
>>>>> Ontology]
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/38
>>>>>
>>>>> Raised by: Phil Archer
>>>>> On product: Organization Ontology
>>>>>
>>>>> The WG recently resolved to change the name of the 'Core Business
>>>>> Vocabulary' as the term was considered too broad and misleading. No
>>>>> objections anywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, it turns out that the choice of what to rename it to was
>>>>> unfortunate. I'd like to resolve this as part of the ORG to LC debate
>>>>> to
>>>>> clarify the relationship with it (although this does not in any way
>>>>> affect
>>>>> ORG itself).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seems entirely reasonable to me (IANAC  - I am not a chair) to discuss
>>>> this as a neighbouring agenda item but don't make it part of moving org
>>>> to
>>>> LC.
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>>> 1. Registered business entity (recommended by Rigo)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Registered corporate entity (in line with Sandro's view).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Either of these is fine by me.
>>>>
>>>> In British English then corporation has a specific meaning (by Royal
>>>> charter). I would guess that in the UK most people's exposure to the
>>>> term
>>>> corporation, other than the BBC, is in the context of large US-based
>>>> companies so it has a subjective connotation of "big (commercial)
>>>> business"
>>>> whatever the technicalities under US law. However, I don't think that is
>>>> fatal as a name for the vocabulary, the vocab itself will be specific
>>>> about
>>>> what it means.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Corporate" definitely has that connotation in US English as well.
>>> "Corporation" a little less.  I think "Incorporated" is mostly free of
>>> it,
>>> which makes me think "Incorporated Organization" might be a good term
>>> here.
>>> I guess it still has the problem of including the BBC.
>>>
>>> I'm fine with Registered Legal Entity.
>>>
>>>
>>>> One other option is simply "registered organization vocabulary",
>>>> technically we can regard it as a profile of ORG after all.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Or, yeah, that's okay, too.   It's not clear what kind of registration
>>> one
>>> has in mind there -- it might include US partnerships which are
>>> registered
>>> as having a business license but not being incorporated, I think.   My
>>> understanding is this vocabulary was only meant to cover the kind of
>>> registration that makes an entity able to legally possess assets and
>>> liabilities. But, yeah, registered organization is fine with me.
>>>
>>>       -- Sandro
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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