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Re: a "long period" for Stability

From: <auguste.atemezing@eurecom.fr>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:35:00 +0100
Message-ID: <20120210103500.pt912ggbkgcgksws@webmail.eurecom.fr>
To: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
Cc: public-gld-wg@w3.org
Hi Phil,
I wonder if the server of semi.eu is down. I was trying to access this  
link [1]
from the People Wiki page [2] but I can not have access.

The same error is happening with all the links to semi.eu on the Wiki page.


TIA
Ghislain
[1] http://www.semic.eu/semic/view/snav/Conformance.xhtml
[2] http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/People

> Is it possible to seek the existence of some evidence that the issue
> has been thought about seriously? We have a stated policy [1] - sadly I
> can't find anything similar at dublincore.org or
> http://www.oasis-open.org. Hmmm...
>
> It's the intent we're after, not so much an actual number of years.
> There's no way of knowing whether the resolvability of, say,
> http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat#Catalog will have any meaning or relevance in
> 2112 any more than the gaslights my grandparents ready by 100 years ago
> do today.
>
> I like 'unbounded' - in reality I guess the boundary is one of relevance?
>
> Phil.
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Persistence.html
>
> On 09/02/2012 20:57, Gillman, Daniel - BLS wrote:
>> Anne,
>>
>> Thanks.  I am not sure persistence requires predictability.  We   
>> just need to know that data can be accessed.  Though, I am willing   
>> to be persuaded otherwise. :-)
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> Dan Gillman
>> Bureau of Labor Statistics
>> Office of Survey Methods Research
>> 2 Massachusetts Ave, NE
>> Washington, DC 20212 USA
>> Tel     +1.202.691.7523
>> FAX    +1.202.691.7426
>> Email  Gillman.Daniel@BLS.Gov
>> -----------------------------------------
>> "Whatever it is, I'm against it!
>> No matter what it is or who commenced it,
>> I'm against it!"
>> ~ Groucho Marx
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anne Washington (GWMAIL) [mailto:annew@gwmail.gwu.edu] On   
>> Behalf Of Anne L. Washington, PhD
>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 3:06 PM
>> To: Ronald P. Reck
>> Cc: public-gld-wg@w3.org
>> Subject: Re: a "long period" for Stability
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Dan, That would work! How about this:
>>
>> Persistence = predictable machine access unbounded by time.
>>
>>
>> It is however, a tall order.
>> But from a standards and conceptual point of view it works to avoid  
>>  any specific period of time.
>>
>> Thanks for asking the question Ron and thanks for the input Dan!
>>
>>
>> Anne L. Washington, PhD
>> Academic Work: George Mason University
>> Standards Work: W3C GLD working group
>> http://washington.gmu.edu/
>>
>> On Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Ronald P. Reck wrote:
>>
>>> When it is logical through the addition of the word "unbounded" to
>>> "tighten up the definition", it sounds like the correct answer to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/09/2012 02:26 PM, Gillman, Daniel - BLS wrote:
>>>> How about this?
>>>> Persistent data - data for which machine access is unbounded
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dan Gillman
>>>> Bureau of Labor Statistics
>>>> Office of Survey Methods Research
>>>> 2 Massachusetts Ave, NE
>>>> Washington, DC 20212 USA
>>>> Tel     +1.202.691.7523
>>>> FAX    +1.202.691.7426
>>>> Email  Gillman.Daniel@BLS.Gov
>>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>> "Whatever it is, I'm against it!
>>>> No matter what it is or who commenced it, I'm against it!"
>>>> ~ Groucho Marx
>>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ronald P. Reck [mailto:rreck@rrecktek.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 2:16 PM
>>>> To: public-gld-wg@w3.org
>>>> Subject: a "long period" for Stability
>>>>
>>>> As Anne W. pointed out to me in private communications, a common
>>>> definition of persistent sounds like this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Persistent = Information is machine accessible for long periods of time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The problem I have with this is that "long periods" is a very
>>>> ambiguous concept on the web. I know we touched on this at the F2F
>>>> but I wish I knew how to tighten it up a bit.
>>>>
>>>> - long periods to data at my house is through 2 hard drive standards
>>>>      (MFM/IDE/EIDE/SATA..)
>>>> - Long periods in the scope of the Internet is a couple decades...?
>>>> - Long periods to a person might mean a generation...
>>>> - Long periods of weather data could mean since the last ice age?
>>>>
>>>> Any formative comments about how I can rephrase "long periods" to
>>>> scope it better would be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> -Ronald P. Reck
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
>
>
> Phil Archer
> W3C eGovernment
> http://www.w3.org/egov/
>
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