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Re: Dataset catalog vocabulary: Why no dct:language in DCAT?

From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:34:08 +0000
Message-ID: <4ECBC0F0.2080000@w3.org>
To: Richard Cyganiak <richard@cyganiak.de>
CC: John Erickson <olyerickson@gmail.com>, public-gld-wg@w3.org
The language property is included in ADMS [1] and will use the relevant 
DC term.

I have a To Do item to go through the ADMS concept model and:
- see where it matches DCAT (so ADMS can use the DCAT terms);
- check on this group's opinion of the stability of the relevant terms 
so ADMS can use the DCAT terms with confidence.

All of which would, in my view, be achieved more straightforwardly if 
those interested were able to get on the phone together.

Is there sufficient interest to arrange this? Accepting that it's 
unreasonable to expect Americans to be on active duty while the rest of 
us are working normally this week, would folk be available at, say, 
14:00GMT/09:00 Monday 28th?

Phil.


[1] 
http://www.semic.eu/semic/view/documents/2011-11-15_ADMS_draft_specification.pdf

On 22/11/2011 15:21, Richard Cyganiak wrote:
> On 22 Nov 2011, at 15:06, John Erickson wrote:
>> RE adding it in, I would be happy to (please point me there).
>
> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/
>
> Click on Issues  Create in the sidebar. I guess you need to leave the Product field open for now, as this hasn't been set up yet.
>
> Best,
> Richard
>
>
>>
>> FWIW, in the 116 catalogs whose DCAT-ish metadata we've aggregated in
>> IOGDS, we're seeing around 16 languages. That is not definitive; since
>> we are "scraping," it is a judgement call. This is why we need
>> authoritative sources generated catalog metadata! ;)
>>
>> Also: the advice I've given our team is that dct:language should be at
>> both the catalog and dataset level --- priority is the catalog --- and
>> should allow multiple values (we've done the same thing with
>> dct:subject when converting Data.gov datasets with lists of
>> "keywords," one subject ->  keyword).
>>
>> I'll note all of this in the tracker as you've requested...
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Richard Cyganiak<richard@cyganiak.de>  wrote:
>>> John,
>>>
>>> On 15 Nov 2011, at 16:38, John Erickson wrote:
>>>> I tweeted this earlier, but I'll go old skool too:
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know why dct:language is not part of #DCAT<http://t.co/loHgJejt>
>>>>
>>>> @cygri any thoughts?
>>>
>>> It didn't come up enough in our original review of data catalogs.
>>>
>>> That review was very much focused on English-language catalogs because that's pretty much all that was around at that time. With Open Data spreading to more and more countries, and aggregated catalogs becoming more prevalent, I think there's a good case for adding it.
>>>
>>> John would you mind raising an issue for this in the tracker?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The reason I'm asking is mostly curiosity; we're refining our IOGDS
>>>> <http://t.co/7HPOldN>  and will be adding dct:language the Catalog
>>>> level, first for statistics purposes and then as a browsable facet.
>>>> dct:language is in our metadata model, but as an "enhancement" that
>>>> gets added after scraping and first-pass conversion. The person doing
>>>> that work has noted the predominant languages (approx 16 across 116
>>>> catalogs from over 36 countries and international organizations) but
>>>> we don't have it "in the graph" (yet)...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John S. Erickson, Ph.D.
>>>> Director, Web Science Operations
>>>> Tetherless World Constellation (RPI)
>>>> <http://tw.rpi.edu>  <olyerickson@gmail.com>
>>>> Twitter&  Skype: olyerickson
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> John S. Erickson, Ph.D.
>> Director, Web Science Operations
>> Tetherless World Constellation (RPI)
>> <http://tw.rpi.edu>  <olyerickson@gmail.com>
>> Twitter&  Skype: olyerickson
>>
>
>
>

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