Re: Question regarding the Organization Ontology

Hi James,

I have one more question regarding this approach. This works perfectly for identifying the posts held by an individual and their timing. 

My next question relates to a situation where an individual is the “creator” of a report (for example) while holding a given post - i.e., they can be a “creator” as both an individual (as in private letters) and as an individual “holding” a “post” with an organization (e.g., letters written while in office). 

How would one model the second situation?

Thanks in advance.

Anne
On Mar 10, 2014, at 11:56 AM, James McKinney <james@opennorth.ca> wrote:

> I've done something similar to Bernard, except instead of using a new Position class, I simply add a "post" property to org:Membership. Instead of people holding posts directly, all people hold posts through their memberships; I therefore do not use the org:holds or org:heldBy properties. org:Membership already has org:memberDuring to express the time interval during which the membership exists, or in my case during which the post is held.
> 
> With respect to Christopher's affiliations, I add an "onBehalfOf" property to org:Membership, to express on whose behalf that person is a member.
> 
> I prefer to avoid a proliferation of sub-classes when an additional property would do.
> 
> James
> 
> On 2014-03-10, at 11:21 AM, Anne Ward wrote:
> 
>> Thank you everyone for your quick responses as well as the options you have identified.
>> 
>> I now will take a closer look at the modelling solutions identified to better understand them and to identify how each would address the example I am trying to work out.
>> 
>> Anne
>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Christopher Gutteridge <cjg@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> It is important to be able to talk about a post which is vacant. 
>>> 
>>> You potentially need to be able to talk about an individual, a post within the organisation and their membership of that post. This becomes very useful when you want to distinguish relationships and responsibilities.
>>> 
>>> For example; "Post 120" supervises "Post 121". However things like committee memberships are actually attached to your membership of the orgainsation... if person X is on a committee and then retires     and person Y is appointed to her post, it does not automatically make Y a member of the committee, other committee memberships may be explicitly for people with certain posts.
>>> 
>>> Finally you have relationships to or between individuals themselves, however these will generally be out of the scope about what an organisation cares about.
>>> 
>>> One area this has mattered for me is in producing linked data from a conference. http://programme.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ -- I ended up inventing an "Affiliation" class as I needed to represent the same person speaking in two different sessions and with a different affiliation. One talk was about his work, the second about a hobby project or somesuch. It mattered to represent which "hat" he was wearing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/03/14 13:29, jean delahousse wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Why not use Membership which is richer than Post ? 
>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-vocab-org-20140116/#class-membership
>>>> It is the class I proposed for EU directory.
>>>> Jean
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2014-03-10 14:24 GMT+01:00 Bernard Vatant <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>:
>>>> Hi Anne
>>>> 
>>>> What I do for that kind of situation is to make distinct classes "Position" and "Post" (or Job, whatever you want to name it)
>>>> 
>>>> :Anne :positionHeld :Position12345
>>>> :Position12345  :beginDate "2012-10-01"
>>>> :Position12345  :endDate "2013-12-31"
>>>> :Position12345  :postHeld  :PostX
>>>> :Position12345  :employer :OrgY
>>>> 
>>>> :Position12345 is actually an "Event"
>>>> :PostX is qualifying the "Position type" or "Job", e.g.; "Chief Technical Officer" "Documentalist" etc.
>>>> 
>>>> You can relate successive positions held by the same person using something like http://vocab.org/bio/0.1/.html
>>>> 
>>>> My 0.02 
>>>> 
>>>> Bernard
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2014-03-07 17:14 GMT+01:00 Anne Ward <anne.ward@rogers.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I am planning to use the organization ontology in examples of defining relationships between persons and organizations. In particular, I found the addition of “Post” quite applicable to the examples I am trying to illustrate.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a question regarding its usage, when specifying that a person “holds” a “Post” within an organization. As a “Post” can be held by many people over time, what would be the best approach for modelling the time interval in a which a given person “holds” a given “Post”?
>>>> 
>>>> Please advise.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> 
>>>> Anne Ward
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> 
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