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Re: drop-shadow filter vs. a separate property

From: Dean Jackson <dino@apple.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:28:22 +1100
Cc: Chris Marrin <cmarrin@apple.com>, public-fx@w3.org
Message-id: <E4DEE30A-2D74-4703-91C3-3986DB08E854@apple.com>
To: "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>

On 19/01/2012, at 9:03 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Chris Marrin <cmarrin@apple.com> wrote:
>> I've been implementing hardware accelerated filters in WebKit and the drop-shadow filter is a real stumbling block. All of the hardware accelerated ways we have to implement it are problematic. It's a pretty complex filter, requiring two separate input paths, color channel swizzling, blur and blending of the inputs. All that is possible, but integrating it into a chain of other filters is difficult and has performance issues. For hardware, doing drop-shadow as a single operation after the filter chain is way easier. This is a small problem on desktop hardware, but a much bigger one on mobile hardware where resources are much more scarce.
>> So I got to thinking about why we have a drop-shadow filter at all. Drop shadow is a great feature for CSS and has been discussed a lot. But it seems like it could just as easily be done as a separate property that is applied after filtering. Then it would be like box-filter, but would use the alpha of the element rather than its bounds.
>> Most of the current CSS filters don't even affect the alpha channel, so there would be no way to tell where in the chain the drop-shadow appeared. So in most cases having a separate drop-shadow property would be functionally equivalent. I think the only time it would matter is with blur and another drop-shadow filter. In those two cases you'd get different results depending on whether or not you put the drop-shadow before of after the filter. I'm sure someone could come up with a use case where you could see the difference between a drop-shadow filter vs a property. But are such use cases essential?
>> I want to make sure these filters can be efficiently hardware accelerated. For Apple hardware at least (and I'm assuming other platforms have the same issues), doing drop shadow as a separate function after filters is easily hardware accelerated. But a drop shadow filter is very resource intensive.
>> Dean told me that this issue was discussed at a recent meeting that I didn't attend, but I haven't found any notes from that meeting. Can someone recap the rationale for wanting a drop-shadow filter rather than a property?
> The immediate reason to want a drop-shadow filter is that drop shadows
> are very common, and it currently takes six filters to implement.
> Making a shortcut filter for it is just good sense.
> I'm not sure if forcing it to always be after the rest of the filters
> would be acceptable or not - we'd have to look at existing usage of
> drop shadows.

It could also apply before the filter effect (the way box-shadow and text-shadow do already).

I agree that drop shadows are important, and this is the only way to put a shadow on the opaque parts of a partially transparent image.

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