From: Paul Topping <pault@dessci.com>

Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:29:55 -0700

Message-ID: <8F5CC1B027A79E4EB4DB2154060CF6380128F967@DRAKE.corp.dessci>

To: "Dirk Schulze" <dschulze@adobe.com>

Cc: "Rik Cabanier" <cabanier@gmail.com>, <public-fx@w3.org>

Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:29:55 -0700

Message-ID: <8F5CC1B027A79E4EB4DB2154060CF6380128F967@DRAKE.corp.dessci>

To: "Dirk Schulze" <dschulze@adobe.com>

Cc: "Rik Cabanier" <cabanier@gmail.com>, <public-fx@w3.org>

I'm confused. What script and demo site are you referring to? What does the popup say? MathJax is very configurable, by the way. I understand about your reluctance to having a W3C spec require JavaScript but, IMHO, one can't do much on the web these days without JS enabled. How many people really run with JS disabled these days anyway? Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Dirk Schulze [mailto:dschulze@adobe.com] > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:23 PM > To: Paul Topping > Cc: Rik Cabanier; public-fx@w3.org > Subject: Re: [Filter Effects][css3-transforms] Using MathML for > formulas > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Paul Topping wrote: > > > Screen readers work with MathPlayer, the IE plugin that my company > gives > > away for free. (I could not tell you which ones and which versions > > work.) If MathPlayer is installed, IE uses it to display MathML and > > screen readers use it to turn math into text to be spoken. If the > page > > uses MathJax, and MathJax detects IE+MathPlayer, it defers to > MathPlayer > > to display the math and screen readers will work fine on the math. > > I know MathPlayer. I just checked MathJax on IE. The problem is that > the script suggest that the MathPlayer plugin is needed to display the > formulas on the demo site, even if that is obviously not the case! As > much as I like MathPlayer and the output of MathJax, this behavior > seems not to be applicable for a specification of the W3C. It is > strange that I didn't get a popup on the main page of the project on > the first load. So it looks like this popup can be blocked (without > changes to the code itself)? > > Greetings, > Dirk > > > > > > > Paul > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dirk Schulze [mailto:dschulze@adobe.com] > >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:54 PM > >> To: Paul Topping > >> Cc: Rik Cabanier; public-fx@w3.org > >> Subject: Re: [Filter Effects][css3-transforms] Using MathML for > >> formulas > >> > >> I would like to know more about MathJax before I come to a > conclusion > >> for my self. MathJax is a Javascript library. Content in > > specifications > >> should not rely on JS at all in my eyes. > >> > >> But if I understood it correctly, than you can add formulas in pure > >> MathML and the library would take care about the rendering? It would > >> still mean that you cannot read the specification on disabled > >> JavaScript and missing MathML support. > >> > >> Is there a benefit to the idea of Aryeh to use CSS and check for the > >> MathML namespace? My priority is the accessibility. If we can use > pure > >> MathML, the specs might be more accessible. The problem with Aryeh's > >> solution is, that current screenreader don't inspect elements which > > are > >> not displayed on the screen (e.g display:none). Therefore, on IE the > >> MathML code wouldn't be accessible for screen reader users since the > >> code does not get displayed. Would that be different with MathJax? > >> > >> Greetings, > >> Dirk > >> > >> > >> On Apr 23, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Paul Topping wrote: > >> > >>> It is not as fast as if MathML were supported directly in the > > browser > >> but JavaScript performance is getting faster all the time. It also > >> depends a lot on what browser you are talking about and what device. > > It > >> is very fast in IE with MathPlayer installed as it defers to > > MathPlayer > >> to draw the MathML. It is much slower on an iPhone, for example. > Best > >> thing to do is try it on a sample page. There are also links to > other > >> sites that use MathJax listed on the MathJax site. You might find > some > >> analogous content. > >>> > >>> Paul > >>> > >>> From: Rik Cabanier [mailto:cabanier@gmail.com] > >>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:26 PM > >>> To: Paul Topping > >>> Cc: public-fx@w3.org > >>> Subject: Re: [Filter Effects][css3-transforms] Using MathML for > >> formulas > >>> > >>> This is great! Thanks for pointing this out. > >>> Do you know if the performance is good? Some spec pages are quite > >> long and I think mathjax has to process all the text. > >>> > >>> Rik > >>> > >>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Paul Topping <pault@dessci.com> > >> wrote: > >>> You may be interested in the MathJax project (www.mathjax.org). It > > is > >> an > >>> open source JavaScript engine for displaying MathML and LaTeX > >> equations > >>> in all modern web browsers and ebook readers. It essentially fills > >> the > >>> gaps in browser support of MathML. > >>> > >>> Paul Topping > >>> Design Science, Inc. > >>> > >>> > >Received on Monday, 23 April 2012 21:30:25 UTC

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