Regrets so far: Steven Start Time: 10:45am Eastern US (15:45Z, except 14:45Z during US DST) Duration: 90 minutes Previous minutes: ??? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0104.html IRC supplement: http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-forms-minutes.html Minute takers rotation list, when not done by Leigh: Joern, Blake, Kenneth, Rogelio, David, Rafael, MarkB, Charlie, MarkS, Raman, Sebastian, Erik, Susan, Nick, Keith, Ulrich AGENDA ITEMS: ============= * = to be discussed REPORTS (0 minutes) =================== Upcoming telecons Next FtF (June 9-12, Amsterdam) The Forms Newsletter XForms 1.1 XForms Basic 1.0, 1.1 Rich Web Application Backplane http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0113.html http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2006/backplane/ ACTION ITEMS (5 minutes) ========================= * Action Item List: ??? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0093.html Those with >= 10 actions should commit to taking down one specific action item from their list this week. Can't be one someone else has already done. Which one? BUG FIX ISSUES (45 minutes) ========================== * Submission "validation" issue http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0118.html - Looking for resolution to make changes identified in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0133.html * Expression dependencies and dynamic dependencies http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0100.html * Error using origin attr in B4 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0127.html - Assign action to John to fix and to make special note in spec that origin evaluated relative to result of context if present (further ensuring general understanding that context overrides the in-scope evaluation context) ??? Have other bug fix issues come up this week Non-selected case and non-relevant group http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Jun/0051.html Offlist ping about answer for charset and encoding (action MarkB on May 2) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Mar/0060.html The meaning of message http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Jan/0013.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Jan/0012.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Jan/0011.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Jan/0010.html The repeat-* attributes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-forms/2006OctDec/0232.html ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES (5 minutes) ================================= * Response for recursive tree display... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008Apr/0003.html ??? Have other admin isues come up this week Forms Task Force http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0085.html - Responses to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms-tf/2008Apr/0024.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms-tf/2008Apr/0017.html Strawman "architecture alignment" response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0068.html Latest in thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0084.html Fix our shortname issue http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0096.html http://www.w3.org/2005/05/tr-versions Marketing of XForms Name/Tagline: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jan/0060.html Community: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jan/0054.html Yahoo! http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jan/0010.html FUTURE VERSION ISSUES (30 minutes) ================================== * Form tag(s), implied model(s) - Seems like we got to consensus on list that XForms tagset would benefit from the form tag since we resolved that XForms tagset will allow streamlined syntax based on UI controls plus attributes to imply various MIPs - Looking for a resolution to have form tag included to surround the stuff that will constitute its implied model, and allow multiple form tags in document, and have main attributes of form tag imply a default submission http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0115.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0064.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0069.html * Implied submission with form tag and/or with submit - The submit element would use default submission of form tag, but seems useful to be able to imply a further submission by using submission attributes on submit - Looking for resolution of above http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0063.html * Explicit models as inner (nested) models of implicit model, external models with src - Once we have form tag with implied model, it is reasonable to allow author ramp-up to explicit models for specific purposes, e.g. bundle of instance data, binds, submission for web service These could be expressed as model elements within form tag, and should ideally have their definitions stored externally. - Looking for resolution that expressed models within a form tag can use src for external definition and that they are processed as inner models to the implied model. Resolution implies adding these concepts to XForms proper. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0108.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0066.html ??? Have other future version issues come up this week Some meanings for use of name attribute http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0065.html Specifying initial value http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0097.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0053.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0052.html Continue with streamlined XForms development http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0054.html Message Module http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0081.html We should automate boolean-from-string() on the boolean MIPs (relevant, readonly, constraint) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0077.html We should allow the result of calculate to be cast according to the assigned datatype, e.g. no need to call boolean-from-string() if calculate assigns to a boolean node. Make progress on the XForms message module http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_message_module Make progress on Model improvements (optional model, nested model, external model) http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Make_model_optional http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Nested_models_for_convenient_grouping_and_composition http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Externally_defined_models_with_src_attribute ============================================= [[Magic for irc channel: /invite zakim zakim, this will be forms /invite rrsagent rrsagent, make log public Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference Agenda: Chair: Scribe: (use exact IRC name, or add "scribenick: irc_name") Regrets: , , ... Topic: ... minutes ... Resolution: ... resolution ... Topic: ... ACTION: to ... 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