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Re: Proposal for face-to-face meetings and telecons in 2008

From: T.V Raman <raman@google.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:05:01 -0800
Message-ID: <18243.26653.184497.449773@retriever.corp.google.com>
To: boyerj@ca.ibm.com
Cc: raman@google.com, public-forms@w3.org

8:30--9:30 would be better, because then I could eat breakfast
from 8:00--9:00.
No disrespect intended, but I've decided not to take any W3C
calls  at earlier times  --- whatever the subject --- I killed
myself taking way too many of those in my past life.

John Boyer writes:
 > Good to hear you like the idea.
 > 
 > Regarding your not coming... oops, I actually proposed the old time 
 > because you recently commented that the 8am time is inconvenient because 
 > you get hungry.  I forgot that we changed to the 8am time because you 
 > couldn't make the 7am time.
 > 
 > Do you have any other times that might work?  Would 6:30am-7:30 or 7:30 to 
 > 8:30 be better?
 > 
 > Cheers,
 > John M. Boyer, Ph.D.
 > STSM: Lotus Forms Architect and Researcher
 > Chair, W3C Forms Working Group
 > Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
 > IBM Victoria Software Lab
 > E-Mail: boyerj@ca.ibm.com 
 > 
 > Blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > "T.V Raman" <raman@google.com> 
 > 11/20/2007 02:46 PM
 > 
 > To
 > John Boyer/CanWest/IBM@IBMCA
 > cc
 > public-forms@w3.org
 > Subject
 > Proposal for face-to-face meetings and telecons in 2008
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > I think 2 meetings plus two calls a week is a good idea ---
 > especially if we can partition the calls to have very focused
 > agendas e.g. one call for present bug-fixes vs one call for
 > longer term things. 
 > Of course I wont come to the one at 7am PT, but that's a known fact.
 > 
 > John Boyer writes:
 >  > We haven't had much of a chance to continue the discussion by email 
 > about 
 >  > how to increase attendance and participation in 2008, but we did begin 
 > to 
 >  > have some attractive ideas at the end of the last telecon that I would 
 >  > like to continue discussing tomorrow.
 >  > 
 >  > Here is a proposal based on the discuss:
 >  > 
 >  > *How about we have only two face to face meetings, but have two calls 
 > per 
 >  > week.*
 >  > 
 >  > There is an obvious benefit of reducing the cost of participation, 
 > which 
 >  > is important to the survival of smaller organizations and even 
 > important 
 >  > to those at larger organizations where approvals are hard to come by.
 >  > 
 >  > There is also the obvious benefit of reducing the schedule upset to 
 >  > oneself and one's employer.
 >  > 
 >  > However, I also think this will result in significantly accelerated 
 >  > progress.  It is hard to commit a large chunk of time to the group, so 
 >  > committing any time tends to get put off; indeed, the recent face to 
 > face 
 >  > attendance is really just one manifestation of this general point.
 >  > 
 >  > Having an extra hour *scheduled* in weekly would therefore accelerate 
 > us 
 >  > by quite a bit by giving us more time in increments that people can 
 >  > manage.  And if you have to miss the occasional call, it's not so bad 
 > as 
 >  > missing a whole face to face.
 >  > 
 >  > I also think it would be possible to get people more engaged in doing 
 > at 
 >  > least one action item between the calls.  And as people get better at 
 >  > doing action items, they become less of a bother because they can be 
 > done 
 >  > more quickly.
 >  > 
 >  > Here are a couple of logistical notes:
 >  > 
 >  > If this option is selected, I would think we should consider moving the 
 > 
 >  > Raleigh face to face out to May, then meet at the tech plenary in 
 > October.
 >  > 
 >  > If this option is selected, I would think the second call should take 
 >  > place during our old time on Thursday mornings (7am pacific, 10 
 > eastern, 
 >  > etc.). 
 >  > 
 >  > If this option is selected, we may need the approval of a higher 
 >  > authority, such as the CEO of W3C.  I think it is quite unlikely we 
 > would 
 >  > have to recharter because we are holding telecons in lieu of face to 
 > face 
 >  > meetings.
 >  > 
 >  > Finally, note that I did also thinking of the alternative of going down 
 > to 
 >  > three meetings and having a 90 minute call.  But that alternative 
 > scores 
 >  > quite a bit lower on all of the above metrics.  It doesn't cut costs in 
 > 
 >  > half, it doesn't cut the big schedule upsets in half, and it doesn't do 
 > as 
 >  > good a job accelerating the group because we'd still be meeting only 
 > once 
 >  > weekly, so no chance to break it up and get people to do action items 
 >  > between the calls.
 >  > 
 >  > Please post your thoughts about this proposal.
 >  > 
 >  > Thanks,
 >  > John M. Boyer, Ph.D.
 >  > STSM: Lotus Forms Architect and Researcher
 >  > Chair, W3C Forms Working Group
 >  > Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
 >  > IBM Victoria Software Lab
 >  > E-Mail: boyerj@ca.ibm.com 
 >  > 
 >  > Blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer
 >  > 
 > 
 > -- 
 > Best Regards,
 > --raman
 > 
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 > 

-- 
Best Regards,
--raman

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