Re: Introduction and question

On 19 May 2012 16:34, Nick Vidal <nick@iss.im> wrote:

> Hi Wyb and Michiel,
>
> >> I have just joined the group and some other groups of W3C
>
> I'm also new to this group and I share Wyb's enthusiasm regarding open
> standards and federated social web!
>
> > To understand federated social web you need to at least understand the
> > ideas behind xmpp federation and the ideas behind OStatus federation.
>
> I'm the author of ISS/IM (Instant Syndicating Standards), which was
> greatly inspired by XMPP. Nowadays we are more focused on bringing
> this technology to the Web. I'll be launching a free e-book in about 2
> months from now which details this technology specifically for the
> Web, but for now you can access information about it at our website:
>
> http://iss.im/
>
> I have also created a group here at W3C with the following description:
>
> http://www.w3.org/community/groups/proposed/#iss-im
>
> "ISS/IM is an open set of standards that empowers individuals to
> discover and syndicate information through the help of their own
> personal social network. As of today, there is no existing technology
> that allows individuals to share information in a bottom-up manner on
> a global scale. ISS/IM is a proposal to create just that: a
> distributed worldwide recommender system perfectly tuned to output a
> very personalized stream of information for each individual, where
> information flows from the personal social network towards the whole
> wide world."
>
> I look forward to working together with the community, specially with
> this group, which is very much a relevant alternative to today's
> centralized social networks.
>

Hi All

There seems to be two approaches to federating social networks.

1. Work on protocols for federation, then try to implement them and inter
connect. (FWS)

2. Start with identity on the web (using URIs to describe people places and
things) then reuse HTTP as much as you can to create natural linked data
systems on the web, some of which happen to be social.

I think (1) is the major approach of FWS (this group).

We are experimenting with (2) in the read write web community group.  So
far we have about 10 candidate systems for interop, and I'm happy to say
we've got at least 3 open source platforms working together so far.

http://www.w3.org/community/rww/wiki/Social_Systems

Currently we're using an enhanced version of the "pingback" protocol to
send cross platform messaging.

If anyone is interested in joining the fun it requires a small php script
with "to" "from" and "comment" fields.

Looking forward to seeing the web get a bit more federated! :)


>
> Kind regards,
> Nick
>
>
> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Michiel de Jong <michiel@unhosted.org>
> wrote:
> > Welcome! It's not an all-or-nothing technology. It's a loose
> > collection of techniques that, together, make the Indie web, as well
> > as the APIs of the web's big platforms, more 'social'.
> >
> > IMHO (others probably have more info to add):
> >
> > ActivityStreams is a very central part of federated social web, you
> > may want to start there.
> >
> > To understand federated social web you need to at least understand the
> > ideas behind xmpp federation and the ideas behind OStatus federation.
> > Since both work with ActivityStreams, they're not necessarily mutually
> > exclusive. Read-write web is also relevant, i guess.
> >
> > Webfinger is also quite central, but it's currently being merged with
> > swd, which means that the spec-development activity is taking place at
> > the IETF's appsawg list (and this is quite technical stuff so maybe a
> > bit boring). that's something you wouldn't know as a newcomer
> > obviously. so if you want to know something, don't be afraid to ask!
> >
> > Even though there's no central organization (apart from maybe
> > workshops where people come together), together we can answer each
> > other's questions and between all of us we asymptotically have sort of
> > an overview :) at least we can try to point you to where to look, and
> > the more you read and follow the discussions, the more you yourself
> > become a part of the knowledge base (that's how we all started, i
> > guess).
> >
> > Anyway, welcome, and don't be afraid to ask questions! There are
> > probably other people who have the same questions as you, so it's
> > useful to ask them on this list.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michiel
> >
> > On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:50 PM, wyb mail <wybmail@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have just joined the group and some other groups of W3C
> >>
> >> As a supporter of open standards and because of my study Informatics,
> >> combining among others social sciences and ICT,
> >>
> >> I am very curious about what you are doing and how you are working.
> >>
> >> I hope I can contribute something to the group though I am not really an
> >> engineer
> >>
> >>
> >> Are you still active as a group? Since January there does not seem to be
> >> much activity concerning topics send to this address.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I was looking through your pages but it not exactly what is worked on at
> >> this moment
> >>
> >> What was interesting to see is how many platforms are working on a
> federated
> >> social web
> >>
> >> What kind protocols are they working with, do they have all their own
> >> standards?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards, Wyb
> >
>
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