Re: Let's blow some new life into this community group

> - it introduces 2 extra hops: Alice's browser, Alice's server, Bob's
> server, Bob's browser. With a custom protocol and websockets it would
> be possible for Alice's browser to send directly to Bob's server, but
> bosh/x-o-w do not seem to support this. And once we have webrtc (iirc
> it's planned for Q4 of this year) we can do directly Alice's browser
> -> Bob's browser, after a handshake. That will be really fast, and
> also cheap on server load.

I am not sure if this really is a problem. Things like status updates, tweets, 
etc. has to go through Alices server since it has to be stored there for later 
queries.
And it is no problem to use out-of-band communication over webrtc for voip, 
filetransfers, ... between Alice and Bob with just the session initialization 
being carried out in-band.
But you are right, it introduces an extra hop when Alice queries information 
from Bob's server.

> - i am not aware to what extent it's possible to host data on an xmpp
> server.

I think this should not be a problem.

> - i am not aware to what extent it's possible to queue messages on the
> server in xmpp when you're offline. i think i heard they will be
> queued on the sending server?

That's why OneSocialWeb had a XEP for "PEP Inbox". We would need something 
like that, too.

> - we are trying to extend the web, which as Melvin said is http-based.
> redesigning the web with xmpp-over-websockets replacing http seems
> like reinventing the web-wheel. but as i said, this is with the
> assumption that we want something that works in browsers; if we want
> to make it a native app then these arguments don't apply.

The big advantage I see with XMPP is that it should work for both, web and 
desktop/mobile applications and I hope for a much deeper integration of the 
social web into the desktop - and in the long term for some new use cases,
e. g. working together on a text document or in a painting application while 
communicating over voip, seamlessly viewing your friends' published photo 
galleries in your local image viewer, ...

But I admit that maybe there are better solutions than XMPP if your main use 
case is the web.

Regards,

Ole

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