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RE: IBIS vocab for semblogging

From: Danny Ayers <danny666@virgilio.it>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:59:10 +0200
To: "Danny Ayers" <danny666@virgilio.it>, "Cayzer, Steve" <Steve_Cayzer@hplb.hpl.hp.com>, "'Charles McCathieNevile'" <charles@w3.org>
Cc: "Esw" <public-esw@w3.org>
Message-ID: <BKELLDAGKABIOCHDFDBPOECMCGAA.danny666@virgilio.it>

ps.

There's also ThreadsML which appears to have led to a proposed RSS module
with one element:

<item> Element:
<thr:children> ( rdf:Seq )

Some familiar names involved in this around a year ago, but it looks like it
may have fizzled out.

(if you hear anymore about this, please let me know)

http://web.resource.org/rss/1.0/modules/threading/

http://www.quicktopic.com/7/H/rhSrjkWgjnvRq?m1=66&mN=66

Cheers,
Danny.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-esw-request@w3.org [mailto:public-esw-request@w3.org]On
> Behalf Of Danny Ayers
> Sent: 27 March 2003 17:46
> To: Cayzer, Steve; 'Charles McCathieNevile'
> Cc: Esw
> Subject: RE: IBIS vocab for semblogging
>
>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> > Our take on this was that Claimaker dealt primarily with
> concepts (not the
> > papers themselves).
>
> I'm not sure, if the subject of a statement is (the URI of) a paper, then
> presumably that's what's been talked about.
>
> Anyhow, the closest thing I'm aware of to what you describe is David
> Menendez's Thread Description Language [1] :
>
> [1] http://www.eyrie.org/~zednenem/2002/web-threads/
>
> My main criticism of this would be that it tries too hard to do everything
> itself, rather than reusing terms from other schema (like Annotea and
> probably DC). But it does include agreesWith etc.
>
> Note that my IBIS vocab isn't set in stone, and suggestions are still
> welcome ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Danny.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cayzer, Steve [mailto:Steve_Cayzer@hplb.hpl.hp.com]
> > Sent: 27 March 2003 16:28
> > To: 'Charles McCathieNevile'; Danny Ayers
> > Cc: Esw
> > Subject: RE: IBIS vocab for semblogging
> >
> >
> > To resurrect an old thread...
> >
> > We've started looking at ontologies for 'semantic links'. We
> had a look at
> > IBIS, Annotea threads and Claimaker.
> > Our requirement is to be able to link bibliographic blogs -
> > primarily using
> > 'agreesWith', 'disagreesWith'.
> >
> > Our take on this was that Claimaker dealt primarily with
> concepts (not the
> > papers themselves). IBIS appears to me to take a similar line,
> > making useful
> > simplifications to the Claimaker model. These approaches are
> both good for
> > 'argumentation networks'.
> >
> > For dealing with the items themselves (which is what we want to
> > do), Annotea
> > threads offer quite a useful schema. Not a perfect fit to our
> > domain, since
> > we are not dealing with threaded discussions, and we might want
> to extend
> > the schema to different semantic relationships. But certainly
> > good enough to
> > start with. So we are looking to make threads a pluggable version of our
> > semantic ontology.
> >
> > The reason for this rambling mail is to ask whether Danny,
> > Charles or anyone
> > else on the list is aware of, or would recommend, any other
> ontologies for
> > encoding such semantic links.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@w3.org]
> > Sent: 18 January 2003 21:45
> > To: Danny Ayers
> > Cc: Esw
> > Subject: Re: IBIS vocab for semblogging
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Danny,
> >
> > the vocabulary stuff you are looking at sounds like it is extending
> > the thread vocabulary produced for Annotea (or for that matter
> > the original
> > Annotea vocabulary of annotation types) to allow for discussion threads
> > to be tracked. This seems to me like a good idea.
> >
> > http://www.w3.org/2001/03/thread
> >
> > The ability to provide user-friendly interfaces for this (such as the
> > icon-selection that Amaya has for marking different types of
> annotation -
> > see
> > the help file at
> >
http://www.w3.org/Amaya/User/attaching_annotations/configuring_icons) is a
> promising paralell for the use of graphic RDF editors (IdeaGraph, IsaViz,
> RDFAuthor, etc)
>
> cheers
>
> Chaals
>
> On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Danny Ayers wrote:
>
> >
> >I didn't realise Semantic Blogging was being followed up as an e-sw case
> >study, until I found the link on the new blog...
> >
> >Anyhow, one of the apps I've been working on for my Ideagraph project is
> >semantic blogging and to help with this I've started writing up a
> vocabulary
> >(RDFS) for 'Issue-Based Information Systems', the idea being to use terms
> >like 'Argument', 'Question', 'pro', 'con' within blog (and other)
> discussion
> >threads.
> >
> >http://purl.org/ibis
> >
> >Very much a work in progress, suggestions welcome.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Danny.
> >
> >-----------
> >
> >http://dannyayers.com
> >
> >"The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne." - Chaucer
> >
> >
> >
>
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