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RE: French translation of SKOS Reference available

From: Johan De Smedt <johan.de-smedt@tenforce.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:34:32 +0200
To: "'Antoine Isaac'" <aisaac@few.vu.nl>, "'SKOS'" <public-esw-thes@w3.org>, "Thomas Francart" <thomas.francart@sparna.fr>
Message-ID: <02b601cecbbb$58281db0$08785910$@tenforce.com>
Thomas, Antoine,

 

Not having French as my mother tongue, I still will try to make a comment on "node labels".

 

ISO 25964 defines node labels as a separate set of labels that typically are used as name of an array of concepts or of a facet.

Therefore, rules or recommendations for preferred, alternative or hidden labels do not apply to node labels.

 

The document Correspondences between ISO 25964 and SKOS/SKOS-XL <http://www.niso.org/schemas/iso25964/correspondencesSKOS>   [1] maps Thesaurus array to a sub-class of skos:Collection.

It suggests using rdfs:label for the (ISO 25964) node-label.

 

[1] http://www.niso.org/schemas/iso25964/correspondencesSKOS

 

Kind Regards,

 

Johan De Smedt 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Antoine Isaac [mailto:aisaac@few.vu.nl]

> Sent: Thursday, 17 October, 2013 18:01

> To: SKOS

> Subject: Re: French translation of SKOS Reference available

> 

> Hi Thomas,

> 

> OK!

> I won't push further on the discussion on those points. After all we're not translating something as

> technical as the RDF Spec here, the translator shall be given his freedom of interpretation :-)

> And I've just realized that  <http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-swbp-skos-core-spec-20051102/fr> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-swbp-skos-core-spec-20051102/fr has

> "schéma de concepts" for ConceptScheme anyway...

> 

> The only tricky point remains 'node labels'. Again if there's no feedback on the list, you should keep to

> your prefered choice!

> 

> Kind regards,

> 

> Antoine

> 

> 

> >

> > Dear Antoine

> >

> > Thank you very much for your detailled feedback, answers below.

> >

> >

> >

> >     =========

> >

> >     Compatibilité can be replaced by "cohérence", in line with the logical notion. Consistency is really

>  <http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/__Coh%C3%A9rence_%28logique%29> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/__Coh%C3%A9rence_%28logique%29

> < <http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coh%C3%A9rence_%28logique%29> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coh%C3%A9rence_%28logique%29>.

> >

> >

> > Thank you. I was lacking the correct english/french logical vocabulary here, I am glad to find someone

> that can point me to a definition. So I have replaced with "cohérence".

> >

> >

> >     To me, "schémas" blurs the distinction between schemes and schemas in English. Not sure I get this

> one entirely, but at least I'd say that "scheme" can have a more informal meaning than "schemas". In

> our context I'd liken schema to "metadata schema" (à la Dublin Core) or "database schema".

> >     I note that in a couple of places you have used "Schémes de Concepts"

> >

> >

> > The typo on "Schémes de Concepts" is fixed.

> > To be honest in French "schéma de concepts" sounds horrible (I think) but at least is close to the

> English word and to the URI, so people can easily relate these; a more appropriate french label could

> be "Structure de Concepts" or "Arrangement de Concepts".

> >

> >

> >     I'd translate "range" by "codomaine" rather than "portée".

> >

> >

> > I find "codomaine" really too mathematical for people reading the spec, but I agree than "portée"

> was not a good choice. I have replaced it with "ensemble d'arrivée" that seems less opaque for

> someone without a logical/mathematical background.

> >

> >     "Node labels (note du traducteur : sans doute la notion de "facettes")"

> >     -> I'm quite sure it's not facettes, but I'm not 100% sure what it could be. In an old translation

> Bernard has used "étiquettes"

> >      <http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-__swbp-skos-core-spec-20051102/__fr> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-__swbp-skos-core-spec-20051102/__fr

> < <http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-swbp-skos-core-spec-20051102/fr> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-swbp-skos-core-spec-20051102/fr>

> >

> >

> > I think "étiquettes" stands for "labels" only. Here the spec talks about skos:Collection that can be

> used to "provide support for node labels within thesauri"; anyone knows what "node labels" are in this

> context ?

> >

> >     Status de ce Document: Status?

> >

> >

> >     Schémas de Concept -> Schémas de Concepts (in Table of Contents and a couple of other places)

> >

> >     "SKOS Overview" was ketp in English (only in table of contents)

> >

> >     Préférrés->Préférés

> >

> >

> >     Types de Donnée -> Types de Données

> >

> >     Définitions des Classes & et des Propriétés

> >

> >

> > all the above are fixed.

> >

> >

> >     les thesaurus -> les thesauri (in accordance to choices made in other parts of the doc)

> >

> >

> > Well, I have checked, and "thésaurus" is actually the correct French plural ("thesauri" doesn't exist in

> French). So I have put "thésaurus" everywhere to be consistent.

> >

> >     ambigüe -> ambiguë

> >

> >

> > fixed

> >

> > Cheers

> > Thomas

> >

> >     =========

> >

> >         (French version see below)

> >

> >         Dear all

> >

> >         I am pleased to share with you the French translation of the SKOS recommendation :

>  <http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-__traduction-francais.html> http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-__traduction-francais.html < <http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-traduction-francais.html> http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-traduction-

 <http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-traduction-francais.html> > francais.html>

> >         See also the completed translation announcement :  <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/__Public/w3c-translators/__2013OctDec/0004.html> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/__Public/w3c-

 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/__Public/w3c-translators/__2013OctDec/0004.html> > translators/__2013OctDec/0004.html < <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-translators/2013OctDec/0004.html> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-

 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-translators/2013OctDec/0004.html> > translators/2013OctDec/0004.html>

> >

> >         Comments on the translation are most welcome.

> >         Best

> >         Thomas

> >

> >         ~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> >         Bonjour

> >

> >         J'ai le plaisir de vous annoncer la traduction française de la recommandation SKOS :

>  <http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-__traduction-francais.html> http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-__traduction-francais.html < <http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-traduction-francais.html> http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-traduction-

 <http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-traduction-francais.html> > francais.html>

> >         Voir également l'annonce de la réalisation de la traduction :

>  <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/__Public/w3c-translators/__2013OctDec/0004.html> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/__Public/w3c-translators/__2013OctDec/0004.html

> < <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-translators/2013OctDec/0004.html> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-translators/2013OctDec/0004.html>

> >

> >         Tous les commentaires sur cette traduction seront les bienvenus;

> >         en espérant qu'elle puisse favoriser l'utilisation de SKOS.

> >

> >         Bien à vous

> >         Thomas

> >

> >         --

> >         *

> >         *

> >         *Thomas Francart* - Sparna

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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