Re: Alignment between SKOS and new ISO 25964 thesaurus standard

Hi again Joahn, Antoine:

Thank you for your interest in our work. We hope you find it useful. Be
forgiving: being a draft there are some incomplete, and ontology is not
documented. I remain at your disposal for any clarification. Also we would
appreciate you comments and suggestions. We need to finish the ontology for
use in a project (although later we substitute SKOS-ISOTHES). I'll send it
later when finalized.

I think like you: we will wait until we tell you that the publishers can
include the changes into translations.

For personal and professional reasons I have not been involved in recent
times here. I hope to be more participative from now on.

Best Regards,
Juan

2012/10/28 Johan De Smedt <johan.de-smedt@tenforce.com>

> Hi Juan, Antoine,****
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> Thanks for the ontology draft.****
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> Indeed it would be beneficial to use it in the design of a SKOS-ISOTHES
> extension as defined in the mapping proposal published by the ISO 25964 WG.
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> I will forward it to the ISO-25964 work group.****
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> Kind Regards,****
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> *Johan De Smedt *
>
> *From:* pastorcito@gmail.com [mailto:pastorcito@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Juan
> Antonio Pastor Sánchez
> *Sent:* Saturday, 27 October, 2012 19:31
> *To:* public-esw-thes@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: Alignment between SKOS and new ISO 25964 thesaurus standard
> ****
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> Dear Antoine,
>
> Indeed, I had understood that this is a modification of SKOS. I've seen
> that the modification only affect to the appendix and not SKOS itself.
>
> The document seems very complete. I will keep to update the Spanish
> translation of SKOS Primer we did.
>
> I include as attachment the draft of the ontology that I mentioned.
> Perhaps it would be useful in the design of the SKOS-ISOTHES extension.
>
> Best Regards,
> Juan****
>
> 2012/10/27 Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>****
>
> Dear Juan,
>
> Thanks for taking the time to send feedback!
>
> I am not sure I understand fully, however: have you realized that the
> table which we propose to include in the erratum [1] defines almost exactly
> what you recommend? I.e., it specifies a SKOS-ISOTHES extension, and does
> not suggest any change of the existing SKOS constructs.
>
> Best,
>
> Antoine
>
> [1] http://www.niso.org/schemas/iso25964/correspondencesSKOS/****
>
> Hi all,
>
> Our research group is finalizing an ontology based on ISO. The design is
> based on a careful analysis of the new standard. Following the same we
> conclude that ISO 25964-1/2 is practically impossible to map correctly with
> SKOS in the most important aspects.
>
> The goal of the ontology we are designing is to make a bridge between the
> ISO and SKOS model. In fact the model proposed by ISO lacks adequate
> semantics for drawing inferences.
>
> In my opinion we should consider several points:
>
> * First, SKOS is being so used because of its simplicity. SKOS provides
> all the basic principles of knowledge organization systems. ISO includes
> all cases of use in the design of a thesaurus starting from the most
> complex case. The current "core" of SKOS need not be modified.
>
> * Second, the data model of ISO 25964-1/2 is very focused on storage of
> thesaurus data in a relational database.
>
> * Third, instead of changing SKOS, an extension could be designed similar
> to SKOS-XL (SKOS-ISOTHES?). This extension should include (mainly) the
> compound equivalence of concepts, labeled semantic relationships and
> mappings relationships described in 25964-1/2.
>
> It would not be necessary to include a errata, as the basis of SKOS still
> based on ISO 2788/5964. Maybe, designing an SKOS extension based on ISO
> 25964-1/2 could be a solution that maintains interoperability of SKOS
> applications that have been made so far.
>
> Best Regards,
> Juan
>
> 2012/10/27 Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl <mailto:aisaac@few.vu.nl>>
>
>     Dear all,
>
>     ISO 25964-1, published in 2011, replaced the previous thesaurus
> standards ISO 2788 and ISO 5964 (both now withdrawn). Members of the
> Working Group responsible for ISO 25964 have gone on to consider the
> implications for SKOS users. They have developed a set of linkages between
> the elements of the ISO 25964 data model and the ones from SKOS [1],
> SKOS-XL [2], and MADS/RDF [3]. This new "Correspondence between ISO 25964
> and SKOS/SKOS-XL models" document can be accessed at [4] and aims at
> replacing the previous table presented in the SKOS Primer [5].
>
>     We therefore suggest to add the following erratum to the SKOS Primer
> [6]:
>     [
>     Errata for SKOS Primer
>
>     - [ISO-Correspondences] (XX Nov 2012)
>     The 2009 version of the SKOS Primer includes a correspondence table
> between SKOS and the ISO-2788/5964 thesaurus standards:
>
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/__NOTE-skos-primer-20090818/#__seccorrespondencesISO<
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/NOTE-skos-primer-20090818/#seccorrespondencesISO
> >.
>     This table is made obsolete by the publication of a new thesaurus data
> model in ISO 25964. Readers of the SKOS Primer can find an updated table,
> Correspondence between ISO 25964 and SKOS/SKOS-XL models", at
>     http://www.niso.org/schemas/__iso25964/correspondencesSKOS/ <
> http://www.niso.org/schemas/iso25964/correspondencesSKOS/>
>     which can be located from http://www.niso.org/schemas/__iso25964/ <
> http://www.niso.org/schemas/iso25964/> .
>     ]
>
>     We would like to know whether you have comments on such a change,
> preferably before Nov 19. Please post any comments to the SKOS mailing
> list, public-esw-thes@w3.org <mailto:public-esw-thes@w3.org>.
>
>     Best regards,
>
>     Antoine Isaac & ISO 25964 Working Group.
>
>     [1] http://www.w3.org/2004/02/__skos/core#<http://www.w3.org/2004/02/__skos/core><
> http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core# <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core>
> >
>     [2] http://www.w3.org/2008/05/__skos-xl#<http://www.w3.org/2008/05/__skos-xl><
> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/skos-xl# <http://www.w3.org/2008/05/skos-xl>>
>     [3] http://www.loc.gov/mads/rdf/__v1#<http://www.loc.gov/mads/rdf/__v1><
> http://www.loc.gov/mads/rdf/v1# <http://www.loc.gov/mads/rdf/v1>>
>     [4] http://www.niso.org/schemas/__iso25964/ <
> http://www.niso.org/schemas/iso25964/>
>     [5]
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/__NOTE-skos-primer-20090818/#__seccorrespondencesISO<
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/NOTE-skos-primer-20090818/#seccorrespondencesISO
> >
>     [6] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/__SKOS/reference/20090811-errata <
> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090811-errata>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Juan Antonio Pastor Sánchez
> Dep. de Información y Documentación
> Facultad de Comunicación y Documentación
> Universidad de Murcia
> Tel: +34 868 88 7252
> http://webs.um.es/pastor
> pastor@um.es <mailto:pastor@um.es>
>
> Juan Antonio Pastor Sánchez, Ph.D.
> Dep. of Information and Documentation
> Faculty of Communication and Documentation
> University of Murcia
> phone: +34 868 88 7252
> http://webs.um.es/pastor
> pastor@um.es <mailto:pastor@um.es>****
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> --
> Dr. Juan Antonio Pastor Sánchez
> Dep. de Información y Documentación
> Facultad de Comunicación y Documentación
> Universidad de Murcia
> Tel: +34 868 88 7252
> http://webs.um.es/pastor
> pastor@um.es
>
> Juan Antonio Pastor Sánchez, Ph.D.
> Dep. of Information and Documentation
> Faculty of Communication and Documentation
> University of Murcia
> phone: +34 868 88 7252
> http://webs.um.es/pastor
> pastor@um.es****
>



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Dr. Juan Antonio Pastor Sánchez
Dep. de Información y Documentación
Facultad de Comunicación y Documentación
Universidad de Murcia
Tel: +34 868 88 7252
http://webs.um.es/pastor
pastor@um.es

Juan Antonio Pastor Sánchez, Ph.D.
Dep. of Information and Documentation
Faculty of Communication and Documentation
University of Murcia
phone: +34 868 88 7252
http://webs.um.es/pastor
pastor@um.es