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Re: Alignment between SKOS and new ISO 25964 thesaurus standard

From: Juan Antonio Pastor Sánchez <pastor@um.es>
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 19:31:16 +0200
Message-ID: <CAFkhdr-FtxjuLQDkUCxPN8yQp34hKx1u9VDrCSjNUzagqnn5NA@mail.gmail.com>
To: public-esw-thes@w3.org
Dear Antoine,

Indeed, I had understood that this is a modification of SKOS. I've seen
that the modification only affect to the appendix and not SKOS itself.

The document seems very complete. I will keep to update the Spanish
translation of SKOS Primer we did.

I include as attachment the draft of the ontology that I mentioned. Perhaps
it would be useful in the design of the SKOS-ISOTHES extension.

Best Regards,
Juan

2012/10/27 Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>

> Dear Juan,
>
> Thanks for taking the time to send feedback!
>
> I am not sure I understand fully, however: have you realized that the
> table which we propose to include in the erratum [1] defines almost exactly
> what you recommend? I.e., it specifies a SKOS-ISOTHES extension, and does
> not suggest any change of the existing SKOS constructs.
>
> Best,
>
> Antoine
>
> [1] http://www.niso.org/schemas/**iso25964/correspondencesSKOS/<http://www.niso.org/schemas/iso25964/correspondencesSKOS/>
>
>  Hi all,
>>
>> Our research group is finalizing an ontology based on ISO. The design is
>> based on a careful analysis of the new standard. Following the same we
>> conclude that ISO 25964-1/2 is practically impossible to map correctly with
>> SKOS in the most important aspects.
>>
>> The goal of the ontology we are designing is to make a bridge between the
>> ISO and SKOS model. In fact the model proposed by ISO lacks adequate
>> semantics for drawing inferences.
>>
>> In my opinion we should consider several points:
>>
>> * First, SKOS is being so used because of its simplicity. SKOS provides
>> all the basic principles of knowledge organization systems. ISO includes
>> all cases of use in the design of a thesaurus starting from the most
>> complex case. The current "core" of SKOS need not be modified.
>>
>> * Second, the data model of ISO 25964-1/2 is very focused on storage of
>> thesaurus data in a relational database.
>>
>> * Third, instead of changing SKOS, an extension could be designed similar
>> to SKOS-XL (SKOS-ISOTHES?). This extension should include (mainly) the
>> compound equivalence of concepts, labeled semantic relationships and
>> mappings relationships described in 25964-1/2.
>>
>> It would not be necessary to include a errata, as the basis of SKOS still
>> based on ISO 2788/5964. Maybe, designing an SKOS extension based on ISO
>> 25964-1/2 could be a solution that maintains interoperability of SKOS
>> applications that have been made so far.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Juan
>>
>> 2012/10/27 Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl <mailto:aisaac@few.vu.nl>>
>>
>>     Dear all,
>>
>>     ISO 25964-1, published in 2011, replaced the previous thesaurus
>> standards ISO 2788 and ISO 5964 (both now withdrawn). Members of the
>> Working Group responsible for ISO 25964 have gone on to consider the
>> implications for SKOS users. They have developed a set of linkages between
>> the elements of the ISO 25964 data model and the ones from SKOS [1],
>> SKOS-XL [2], and MADS/RDF [3]. This new "Correspondence between ISO 25964
>> and SKOS/SKOS-XL models" document can be accessed at [4] and aims at
>> replacing the previous table presented in the SKOS Primer [5].
>>
>>     We therefore suggest to add the following erratum to the SKOS Primer
>> [6]:
>>     [
>>     Errata for SKOS Primer
>>
>>     - [ISO-Correspondences] (XX Nov 2012)
>>     The 2009 version of the SKOS Primer includes a correspondence table
>> between SKOS and the ISO-2788/5964 thesaurus standards:
>>     http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/__**NOTE-skos-primer-20090818/#__**
>> seccorrespondencesISO<http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/__NOTE-skos-primer-20090818/#__seccorrespondencesISO><
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/**NOTE-skos-primer-20090818/#**
>> seccorrespondencesISO<http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/NOTE-skos-primer-20090818/#seccorrespondencesISO>
>> >.
>>     This table is made obsolete by the publication of a new thesaurus
>> data model in ISO 25964. Readers of the SKOS Primer can find an updated
>> table, Correspondence between ISO 25964 and SKOS/SKOS-XL models", at
>>     http://www.niso.org/schemas/__**iso25964/correspondencesSKOS/<http://www.niso.org/schemas/__iso25964/correspondencesSKOS/><
>> http://www.niso.org/schemas/**iso25964/correspondencesSKOS/<http://www.niso.org/schemas/iso25964/correspondencesSKOS/>
>> >
>>     which can be located from http://www.niso.org/schemas/__**iso25964/<http://www.niso.org/schemas/__iso25964/><
>> http://www.niso.org/schemas/**iso25964/<http://www.niso.org/schemas/iso25964/>>
>> .
>>     ]
>>
>>     We would like to know whether you have comments on such a change,
>> preferably before Nov 19. Please post any comments to the SKOS mailing
>> list, public-esw-thes@w3.org <mailto:public-esw-thes@w3.org**>.
>>
>>     Best regards,
>>
>>     Antoine Isaac & ISO 25964 Working Group.
>>
>>     [1] http://www.w3.org/2004/02/__**skos/core#<http://www.w3.org/2004/02/__skos/core#><
>> http://www.w3.org/2004/02/**skos/core#<http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core#>
>> >
>>     [2] http://www.w3.org/2008/05/__**skos-xl#<http://www.w3.org/2008/05/__skos-xl#><
>> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/**skos-xl# <http://www.w3.org/2008/05/skos-xl#>
>> >
>>     [3] http://www.loc.gov/mads/rdf/__**v1#<http://www.loc.gov/mads/rdf/__v1#><
>> http://www.loc.gov/mads/rdf/**v1# <http://www.loc.gov/mads/rdf/v1#>>
>>     [4] http://www.niso.org/schemas/__**iso25964/<http://www.niso.org/schemas/__iso25964/><
>> http://www.niso.org/schemas/**iso25964/<http://www.niso.org/schemas/iso25964/>
>> >
>>     [5] http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/__**NOTE-skos-primer-20090818/#__**
>> seccorrespondencesISO<http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/__NOTE-skos-primer-20090818/#__seccorrespondencesISO><
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/**NOTE-skos-primer-20090818/#**
>> seccorrespondencesISO<http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/NOTE-skos-primer-20090818/#seccorrespondencesISO>
>> >
>>     [6] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/**__SKOS/reference/20090811-**
>> errata <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/__SKOS/reference/20090811-errata> <
>> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/**SWD/SKOS/reference/20090811-**errata<http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090811-errata>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Juan Antonio Pastor Sánchez
>> Dep. de Información y Documentación
>> Facultad de Comunicación y Documentación
>> Universidad de Murcia
>> Tel: +34 868 88 7252
>> http://webs.um.es/pastor
>> pastor@um.es <mailto:pastor@um.es>
>>
>> Juan Antonio Pastor Sánchez, Ph.D.
>> Dep. of Information and Documentation
>> Faculty of Communication and Documentation
>> University of Murcia
>> phone: +34 868 88 7252
>> http://webs.um.es/pastor
>> pastor@um.es <mailto:pastor@um.es>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
Dr. Juan Antonio Pastor Sánchez
Dep. de Información y Documentación
Facultad de Comunicación y Documentación
Universidad de Murcia
Tel: +34 868 88 7252
http://webs.um.es/pastor
pastor@um.es

Juan Antonio Pastor Sánchez, Ph.D.
Dep. of Information and Documentation
Faculty of Communication and Documentation
University of Murcia
phone: +34 868 88 7252
http://webs.um.es/pastor
pastor@um.es


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