Re: Results of survey "Do controlled vocabularies matter?"

Hi Christophe, 

this is great, and I agree that we should stick to SKOS terminology. 

Regards, 
Andreas 

----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----

> Von: "Christophe Dupriez" <christophe.dupriez@destin.be>
> An: "Andreas Blumauer (Semantic Web Company)"
> <a.blumauer@semantic-web.at>
> CC: "Simon Cox" <Simon.Cox@csiro.au>, holger@topquadrant.com,
> public-esw-thes@w3.org
> Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2011 10:43:41
> Betreff: Re: Results of survey "Do controlled vocabularies matter?"

> Hi Andreas,

> I am definitively willing to implement this kind of "shortcuts" in
> ASKOSI.org

> We must then also standardize the structured result formats
> (RDF, JSON : SparQL results? Which columns are included in the
> result?)
> ... and respect REST API principles ...

> I would also prefer to avoid "all" and stick to SKOS terminology:
> http://vocabulary.semantic-web.at/semweb/131/narrower

> Have a nice day!

> Christophe

> Le 27/06/2011 10:19, Andreas Blumauer (Semantic Web Company) a écrit
> :
> > Same with PoolParty Thesaurus Management [1]:
> > We provide "stored procedures" and can offer a variety of
> > pre-defined SPARQL queries,
> > which can execute queries mentioned by Simon.
> >
> > But this is not enough: If developers could execute at any SPARQL
> > endpoint, e.g. [2]
> > queries like
> >
> > http://vocabulary.semantic-web.at/PoolParty/sparql/semweb/allConceptSchemes
> >
> > or for any given concept, e.g. [3]
> >
> > queries like
> >
> > http://vocabulary.semantic-web.at/semweb/131/allNarrowers
> > http://vocabulary.semantic-web.at/semweb/131/allRelateds/prefLabel="foo"
> >
> > in a STANDARDIZED way, then developers don´t have to care about
> > anymore
> > if the underlying technology is PoolParty, TopBraid or something
> > else AND
> > they don´t have to learn Sparql but rather could concentrate on a
> > vocabulary´s inherent scheme& logic,
> >
> > and exactly this is necessary to get things going also for
> > non-SemWebber in my opinion.
> >
> > If anyone is interested in defining such queries, please let me
> > know!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Andreas
> >
> > [1] http://poolparty.punkt.at/
> > [2] http://vocabulary.semantic-web.at/PoolParty/sparql/semweb
> > [3] http://vocabulary.semantic-web.at/semweb/131
> >
> >
> > ----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
> >
> >> Von: "Simon Cox"<Simon.Cox@csiro.au>
> >> An: holger@topquadrant.com, public-esw-thes@w3.org
> >> Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2011 04:49:38
> >> Betreff: RE: Results of survey "Do controlled vocabularies
> >> matter?"
> >> E.g.
> >> 1. Get concept (all triples with concept as subject or object -
> >> DESCRIBE) with prefLabel = “foo”
> >> 2. Get concept with prefLabel in Fonglish = “foo”
> >> 3. Get concept http://example.org/bar and all narrower concepts
> >> 4. Get concept http://example.org/bar and all broader concepts
> >> 5. Get concept with prefLabel in Fonglish = “foo” and all narrower
> >> concepts
> >> 6. Etc ...
> >> i.e. pre-rolled queries which use the SKOS properties.
> >> Reusable SPARQL queries might be part of a solution.
> >> From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
> >> [mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Holger
> >> Knublauch
> >> Sent: Monday, 27 June 2011 9:11 AM
> >> To: public-esw-thes@w3.org
> >> Subject: Re: Results of survey "Do controlled vocabularies
> >> matter?"
> >> What aspects of SPARQL would such a standard layer include? We and
> >> our customers are heavily using SPARQL in the context of SKOS, and
> >> we have published a SPARQL-based constraint checking library [1]
> >> using the W3C Member Submission SPIN [2]. This will validate the
> >> various SKOS-specific integrity constraints and has been
> >> integrated
> >> with TopQuadrant's Enterprise Vocabulary Net (EVN) solution [3].
> >> SPIN also makes it easy to encapsulate reusable SPARQL queries
> >> into
> >> so-called templates. These templates are basically parameterized
> >> queries that have a URI and arguments. Compare to stored
> >> procedures
> >> in SQL. It would be straight-forward to build and publish such a
> >> template library for SKOS, if someone here has a list of queries
> >> that they like to ask repeatedly.
> >> Cheers,
> >> Holger
> >> [1] http://topbraid.org/spin/skosspin
> >> [2] http://spinrdf.org/
> >> [3] http://www.topquadrant.com/solutions/ent_vocab_net.html
> >> On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:34 AM,< Simon.Cox@csiro.au> wrote:
> >> “ a "standard" layer encapsulating Sparql especially designed for
> >> SKOS based systems
> >> might help in this situation. ”
> >> +1
> >> From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
> >> [mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Andreas
> >> Blumauer (Semantic Web Company)
> >> Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2011 4:36 PM
> >> To: public-esw-thes@w3.org
> >> Subject: Results of survey "Do controlled vocabularies matter?"
> >> Hello all,
> >> we are happy to announce that the results of the survey titled
> >> "Do controlled vocabularies matter?" are available now.
> >> A short write-up and also the link to the report can be found
> >> here:
> >> http://blog.semantic-web.at/2011/06/26/thesaurus-based-search-engines-will-become-main-stream-in-the-near-future/
> >> The report itself was published on issuu:
> >> http://issuu.com/andreas_blumauer/docs/survey_do_controlled_vocabularies_matter_2011_june
> >> We would be happy to receive comments from the community on this.
> >> As an interesting outcome it can be stated, that people working on
> >> controlled vocabularies
> >> seem to have put aside scepticism about the semantic web finally.
> >> On the other side the whole semantic web cake has not been
> >> digested
> >> yet:
> >> E.g. only a few people from the vocab-community deal with Sparql,
> >> which brings me to the conclusion
> >> that a "standard" layer encapsulating Sparql especially designed
> >> for
> >> SKOS based systems
> >> might help in this situation.
> >> Any activities going on in this area?
> >> Best wishes,
> >> Andreas
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