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RE: use-instead notes

From: Johan De Smedt <johan.de-smedt@tenforce.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:07:38 +0100
To: "'Neubert Joachim'" <J.Neubert@zbw.eu>, "'Leonard Will'" <L.Will@willpowerinfo.co.uk>, <public-esw-thes@w3.org>
Message-ID: <F4CBBD3850B44F86A3A721F6EAA1F044@TFJOHAN>
Hi Joachim,
Your suggestion to use XHTML/RDFa seems like a good approach.
The note object value could be an rdf:XMLLiteral according to
The note itself could then be something like "<xhtml:p>For restrictions on
market entry <xhtml:a rel="your:property" href="referenced-concept-uri"
hreflang="en">market entry</xhtml:a></xhtml:p>
The application using this would have to now the content structure of the
note and currently there is no way to declare this.
(typically, we use annotations on the owl schema [extending SKOS] for that
Your extending schema may also define the "your:property" property.

kr, Johan De Smedt.



From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org [mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org]
On Behalf Of Neubert Joachim
Sent: Monday, 12 January, 2009 21:02
To: Leonard Will; public-esw-thes@w3.org
Subject: AW: use-instead notes

Thank you for your comments and suggestions. For our application, I see two
crucial points:
- the note should provide the target concept as a data property "within" the
note (to support explicit linking, and to make use of the prefLabels of the
target concept, instead of a fixed literal string which may soon be
- the note must be attached to the source concept (which is, for the special
case or aspect identified in the literal part of the note, the wrong one),
in order to guide the user to the right one. The user somehow came across
this "wrong" concept and needs the hint there - a property of the target
concept doesn't help, because there is a danger that the user may not look
at that one at all.
I see your point that this is a special case of a scope note. In my
understanding, it would have been perfectly legal to use skos:scopeNote with
a structured value as shown below. But my feeling was that it could be
helpful (for our own applications as well as for other users of the skos
representation of the thesaurus) to indicate that this notes do not only
have a special structure but also a special meaning, different from other
scope notes used in the thesaurus. 
The more general sense, there are notes which are semi-structured - which
consist of a data property which links to another concept in combination
with some textual restrictions or explanations. (I have seen this pattern
also in classifications, with "see"/"use instead" as well as with "see also"
hints.) Often, because of the lack of tool support, simple textual scope
notes are used for this purpose - resulting in target terms which cannot be
validated and may not be valid any longer. Do you know if some treatment for
such semi-structured notes is an issue for ISO 25954?
Kind regards, Joachim

Von: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org im Auftrag von Leonard Will
Gesendet: Mo 12.01.2009 15:45
An: public-esw-thes@w3.org
Betreff: Re: use-instead notes

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 at 12:36:09, Neubert Joachim <J.Neubert@zbw.eu>
>In the the course of the conversion of  our economics thesaurus to SKOS,
>I found a construct which seems to require a custom extension: Some
>documentation notes offer "use that instead of this" hints - e.g., a
>note for the descriptor "Restrictive business practices" says "For
>restrictions on market entry USE Market entry".
>To preserve the semantic of this note, I think about introducing a new
>type of note:
>  stw:useInsteadNote rdfs:subPropertyOf skos:note
>which could be used as follows:
>  <restrictive business practices> stw:useInsteadNote
>    [ rdf:value "For restrictions on market entry"@en;
>      rdfs:seeAlso <market entry> ] .
>By using a custom type of note, it can get special treatment, generation
>of links etc., in the further conversion to XHTML/RDFa.
>Do you have some experience with this or a similar pattern? Are there
>any pitfalls I should be aware of?
>Kind regards,
>Joachim Neubert
>German National Library of Economics (ZBW)
This sort of note would normally be included as a scope note, which can
contain notes on other concepts which are included or excluded from the
scope of the concept to which it applies. These notes are not generally
designed to be understood by machines, so the syntax is not fixed. The
example you quote could be shown as

restrictive business practices
SN: For restrictions on market entry USE market entry
RT: market entry

though the RT entry may be redundant. You could add, if desired, the
additional entry as a non-preferred term:

restrictions on market entry
USE: market entry

and the (automatically-created) reciprocal entries:

market entry
UF: restrictions on market entry
RT: restrictive business practices

I don't think it is necessary to introduce another type of relationship;
the ISO 25964 model allows for custom notes, but as this form of
reference to another concept is very common in scope notes that seems
the natural place to keep it.

Leonard Will
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