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Re: Scientific and common names in SKOS

From: Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 06:16:38 -0400
Message-ID: <29af5e2d0810020316r14620075od4b3e85b7160fa2@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Sini, Margherita (KCEW)" <Margherita.Sini@fao.org>
Cc: "Leonard Will" <L.Will@willpowerinfo.co.uk>, public-esw-thes@w3.org
FWIW, I'm a little dubious about the language tag encoding. I suspect that
there are many tools that expect one of the standard language tags and will
not be aware that there is an english tag at all.
-Alan

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Sini, Margherita (KCEW) <
Margherita.Sini@fao.org> wrote:

> Thanks Leonard and to all for the reply.
>
> I think Antoine solution would be better, as i can specify the preferred
> terms between all the scientific names ("@en-x-scientific") and the
> preferred
> between the common names ("@en-x-common").
> But combining Antoine solution and Stephen solution (adding a cutom
> attribute
> such as fao:type="common") would be event better.
>
> I also like the possibility of creating relationships between terms (such
> as
> expressed with SKOS eXtension for Labels XL) but this seems to me do not
> solve the problem for indexing or retrieving pertinent info...
>
> This is very important, because while indexing or retrieving document we
> can/should somehow establish the context for the use of the same concept: I
> may decide to tag a scientific document with the URI + a tag specifying it
> is
> a scientific document or tag a document about a receipt of a potato with
> the
> same URI + a tag specifying this is a "general audience" document....
> I do not want to go back to term indexing, but seems to me that URI for
> indexing may not be enough: we may need to attach some other info...
>
> regards
> Margherita
>
>        -----Original Message-----
>        From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org on behalf of Leonard Will
>        Sent: Tue 9/30/2008 13:43
>        To: public-esw-thes@w3.org
>         Cc:
>        Subject: Re: Scientific and common names in SKOS
>
>
>
>
>         On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 at 08:00:35, "Sini, Margherita (KCEW)"
>        <Margherita.Sini@fao.org> wrote
>        >The problem is that I wish not to use altLabels for scientific
> names,
>        >because the concept may have actually many more others altLabels...
> In
>        >fact i wish that people while indexing or searching documents, they
>        >could use a common name OR a scientific name based in their needs
> (a
>        >document on a receipt of potato or a scientific treaty on the
> species).
>
>        In a well-structured indexing and retrieval system with a linked
>        thesaurus, it should be possible to retrieve documents by searching
> on
>        preferred _or_ non-preferred (alt) terms. That is the reason for
> having
>        altLabels. The "preferred" term is somewhat arbitrarily chosen
> (though
>        for this purpose we try to choose the term most likely to be
> sought),
> to
>        act as a label for the concept and to link it with documents being
>        indexed.
>
>        If an indexer seeks to use an altLabel when linking a concept to a
>        document, the system should automatically use the prefLabel in
>        constructing the link. It may or may not tell the indexer that it
> has
>        done this. (It may in fact use a concept number or other code rather
>        than either of the labels.)
>
>        If a searcher searches with an altLabel, the system should
> automatically
>        substitute the prefLabel in constructing a search statement. It may
> or
>        may not tell the searcher that it has done this.
>
>        Two other issues arise:
>
>        A. If the need is to display lists of documents grouped under
> subject
>        labels, optionally using either common or scientific names, then you
>        will have to give the labels a type attribute, as has been
> suggested,
> so
>        that the correct one can be chosen in each case. This may not be
>        practicable, however, because:
>
>        (1) many organisms do not have common names, or have several common
>        names, and there is often not a one-to-one relationship between
> common
>        and scientific names;
>
>        (2) listing documents under individual thesaurus terms is not
> usually
>        sufficient to produce a useful list. A useful classified display
>        normally requires the pre-coordination of more than one concept
> (e.g.
>        "potatoes : diseases" or "potatoes : prices") and SKOS does not yet
>        provide for pre-coordination.
>
>        B. The "SKOS eXtension for Labels (XL)" provides at
>        <http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-reference/#xl-label-relations>
>        for the expression of relationships between different label types.
> We
>        have done the same thing in the British Standard DD8723-5 data model
> at
>        <http://schemas.bs8723.org/2008-06-03/DD8723-5/Model/Model.jpg>
>        which provides for the equivalence relationship to have a "role"
>        attribute.
>        Example 91 given in the SKOS-XL document shows how one label can be
>        shown to be an acronym of another, but the relationship could be
>        specified as "common name / scientific name".
>
>        Leonard Will
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