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[SKOS] presentation information and thesaurus displays (views) (was RE: [SKOS] ISSUE-33 "Minimal Fix" Proposal)

From: Miles, AJ \(Alistair\) <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:22:56 +0100
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To: "SWD WG" <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
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Hi all,

> [1] 
> <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Semantics/Grouping?action=recall&rev=4>
> I would like to suggest that the Working Group accept [1] as 
> a resolution of [ISSUE-33], then raise further issues 
> concerning the generation and transfer of various different 
> display types, including alphabetical and systematic 
> thesaurus displays.

As background to discussion of these further issues, I have written a wiki page on "presentation information" and defining the scope of SKOS:

<http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/PresentationInformation>

Cheers,

Alistair.




> 
> [ISSUE-33] <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/33>
> 
> --
> Alistair Miles
> Research Associate
> Science and Technology Facilities Council Rutherford Appleton 
> Laboratory Harwell Science and Innovation Campus Didcot 
> Oxfordshire OX11 0QX United Kingdom
> Web: http://purl.org/net/aliman
> Email: a.j.miles@rl.ac.uk
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Antoine Isaac [mailto:aisaac@few.vu.nl]
> > Sent: 15 June 2007 15:27
> > To: Miles, AJ (Alistair)
> > Cc: SWD WG; public-esw-thes@w3.org
> > Subject: Re: [SKOS] ISSUE-33 "Minimal Fix" Proposal
> > 
> > Thanks for the answer. They confirm everything
> > >> - relying on sophisticated algorithm to generate hierarchies for 
> > >> grouping-aware applications
> > >>     
> > >
> > > Yes and no. The fact is that a typical "systematic display" 
> > of a thesaurus or classification scheme incorporates a 
> certain amount 
> > of "presentational" information - information about how to 
> lay things 
> > out in 2 dimensions. I believe it should be out of scope 
> for SKOS to 
> > convey presentational information. This means that, in 
> order to fully 
> > convey a systematic presentation of a thesaurus or classification 
> > scheme, you might need something other than SKOS.
> > >
> > > However, in the absence of any presentational information,
> > there could
> > > be a default method of constructing a systematic display. 
> To handle 
> > > SKOS grouping constructs, this would require an algorithm which is
> > > *fairly* sophisticated - certainly not straightforward to 
> a novice 
> > > hacker. The onus is on me to provide a reference implementation :)
> > >   
> > my mistake, "generate" should have been "display"
> > >   
> > >> - asking thesaurus builders to create explicit
> > broader/narrower links
> > >> between the concept generalizing the collection and the concepts 
> > >> included in the collection (e.g.
> > >> ex:milk skos:narrower ex:cowmilk),
> > >>     
> > >
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > >   
> > >> therefore ignoring the
> > >> level of the grouping in the explicitation of the
> > conceptual hierarchy
> > >>     
> > >
> > > I'm not sure what you mean by this.
> > >   
> > That we you design the conceptual hierarchy, you might have some 
> > 'mental image' of it in your head, influenced by the 
> display of other 
> > thesauri.
> > But you should ignore this image, and build the conceptual link not 
> > considering the grouping node.
> > 
> > Antoine
> > 
> 
> 
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