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FW: "Drawing the Pictures"

From: Miles, AJ \(Alistair\) <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:53:42 +0100
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-----Original Message-----
From: Miles, AJ (Alistair) 
Sent: 21 August 2007 17:30
To: SWD Working SWD
Subject: RE: "Drawing the Pictures"

Hi all,

I've just finished a tutorial on "Vocabularies" for the Dublin Core conference next week. The latest version can be downloaded from:

http://isegserv.itd.rl.ac.uk/public/ajm65/dc2007/tutorial.pdf

In topic 1, I use pictures to present an *informal* model of controlled structured vocabularies. I invented my own diagram conventions, influenced of course by RDF as directed labeled graphs. In topics 4 & 5 I use pictures to explore use of controlled structured vocabularies in retrieval systems.

Maybe useful to the "drawing the pictures" discussion.

Cheers,

Alistair.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-swd-wg-request@w3.org
> [mailto:public-swd-wg-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Antoine Isaac
> Sent: 12 August 2007 20:40
> To: jphipps@madcreek.com
> Cc: Sean Bechhofer; SWD Working SWD
> Subject: Re: "Drawing the Pictures"
> 
> 
> Hello Jon,
> 
> I'm not fond of the 100% text approach, even if the Zthes you cite the 
> model is simple enough.
> 
> If we are to get inspiration from an existing modelling work (from the 
> points of view of both form and content), I would suggest BS-8723:
> - the model itself is recent
> - there is some UML modelling hanging around
> - Alistair is already involved I think
> - they seem to be really eager to collaborate with us, cf [1] (and I 
> do trust Stella and other BS-8723 people to have very interesting 
> views on the domain ;-)
> 
> Additionally, it could give some material for a candidate requirement 
> on "compatibility with BS-8723". We've got in [2] requirements with a 
> lot of thesaurus standards, I think Stella's demand at the end of [1] 
> is quite reasonable...
> 
> Of course this would more time-consuming than just creating graphs 
> ourselves. Perhaps one or two people from the WG could be given the 
> responsability, for the next F2F, to read the material at BS-8723, and 
> prepare some pictures we could discuss then.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Antoine
> 
> [1]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jul/0038.html
> [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-ucr/#Candidate
> 
> >
> > Maybe even something textual like this?
> > "The Zthes abstract model for thesaurus representation, version 1.0"
> > http://zthes.z3950.org/model/zthes-model-1.0.html
> >
> > --Jon
> >
> > Sean Bechhofer wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> In the telecon yesterday, I raised the question of whether
> we should
> >> be providing some kind of metamodel for SKOS. Just to clarify, I'm 
> >> not necessarily calling for a formalised model with
> mapping rules and
> >> translations into the underlying RDF (as for example, we have with 
> >> OWL). Rather, I was thinking of something (could be UML diagrams, 
> >> could be simply blobs and lines) that tries to capture some of our 
> >> underlying intuitions about the SKOS model. I think Elisa captured 
> >> what I meant well when she said "drawing the pictures".
> >>
> >> I believe that would then help in pinning down what we mean by 
> >> 'containment', 'aggregation' etc. For example, do we consider the 
> >> relationships between concepts to be part of a scheme? Do
> we consider
> >> the concepts to be part of the scheme? Do we consider the 
> >> relationships of a concept to be somehow part of the concept? Can 
> >> concepts "exist" independently of a scheme? In my personal
> experience
> >> with OWL (and your mileage may of course, vary), thinking about 
> >> things at a higher level of abstraction than the RDF
> triple structure
> >> made it easier to see what was going on and how things fit
> together.
> >>
> >> This certainly doesn't have to be normative, and in fact
> may not even
> >> need to form part of our final document set. I think it
> would benefit
> >> the process though. This would perhaps best be something
> to do in a
> >> F2F context (as I think was also mooted).
> >>
> >>     Sean
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sean Bechhofer
> >> School of Computer Science
> >> University of Manchester
> >> sean.bechhofer@manchester.ac.uk
> >> http://www.cs.manchester.ac.uk/people/bechhofer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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