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Re: thesaurusRepresentation-11

From: Alistair Miles <a.j.miles@rl.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:26:45 +0100
Message-ID: <44917C35.9080205@rl.ac.uk>
To: public-esw-thes@w3.org

Hi all,

I've added this item to the proposals and issues list, see:

http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/proposals#thesaurusRepresentation-11

I've included a link to this thread, so that Stella's comments are 
noted. I included the point about "USE x OR y"/"UFO" because it will 
probably interact with SKOS representation of "USE x + y"/"UF+", i.e. 
the representation will need to clearly distinguish between the two, 
even if the former is not recommended.

Cheers,

Al.

Stella Dextre Clarke wrote:
> Mark,
> Re point 1, yes, I dare say there may be other uses. Futile to try and
> enumerate all of them! And I agree it is an advantage if SKOS is able to
> accommodate all of the information carried in a thesaurus. That said, it
> is possible to comply with ISO 2788 or BS 8723 and still have some extra
> features that are not used anywhere else. To be able to accommodate such
> extra features, you would need to have a capability for defining custom
> relationships and data types. I vote for coping with what is described
> in the standards, and what is commonly encountered, before tackling the
> obscure  curiosities that may still be emerging.
> 
> RE point 3, USE...OR/UFO  is not very common in my experience. There
> tend to be few instances, even in those thesauri that do use it. But
> exceptions are sure to occur somewhere. WE just don't recommend it, in
> the standards.
> Stella
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark van Assem [mailto:mark@few.vu.nl] 
> Sent: 09 June 2006 08:16
> To: Stella Dextre Clarke
> Cc: 'Alistair Miles'; public-esw-thes@w3.org
> Subject: Re: thesaurusRepresentation-11
> 
> 
> Hi Stella,
> 
> Some quick comments on your comments ;-)
> 
>> 1. "Any type of annotation associated with a non-descriptor" Yes, I 
>> believe this is useful and needed by a lot of vocabulary managers. I 
>> don't see it as a requirement while using a thesaurus in connection 
>> with searching a database (or other information resource), but it 
>> certainly has uses while managing and maintaining the vocabulary.
> 
> There may be other uses like for (semi-)automated mapping and NLP. More
> general: It would be a pity if some thesauri get two RDF versions, one
> in SKOS and one in another schema for the stuff that did not fit into
> SKOS. E.g. how to deal with sources that are annotated with the other
> version but should be used together?
> 
>> 3. "1:n relationships between non-descriptors and descriptors ("USE x
>> OR y"/"USO")"
> 
> Would you have an idea on how often this relationship is used?
> 
> Cheers,
> Mark.
> 
> 

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