- From: Bernard Vatant <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>
- Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:05:07 +0100
- To: Sue Ellen Wright <sellenwright@gmail.com>
- Cc: Gerhard Budin <gerhard.budin@univie.ac.at>, Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>, Addison Phillips <addison@yahoo-inc.com>, Mark Davis <mark.davis@jtcsv.com>, Thomas Baker <baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de>, public-esw-thes@w3.org
Sue Ellen Thanks for all this. I will munch over it and try to come up with something by the first week of January, when everybody is out of the bubbles ... :-) Bernard Sue Ellen Wright a écrit : > Hi, All, > Indeed, I suspect that lots of people would be delighted if someone > wants to go ahead with this for SKOS, provided that no one has already > started such a project. Rather than searching for IANA, you want to > reference IETF BCP 47, which will be your permanent ID reference for > the Language Tags. My contacts on BCP 47 are Felix Sasaki, Addison > Phillips, and Mark Davis, but as noted, they may possibly be off line > right now, as many people are. On the ISO side, Gerhard Budin is the > Chair of ISO TC 37/SC 2, whose WG 2 is responsible for the 639 family > of standards. I know that he shares my view that any new initiatives > in this area should be oriented toward the set of codes and the syntax > rules contained in the current IETF RFC 4645, 4646 and 4647, taking > into consideration any successor recommendations of the IETF. (There > is, for instance, a current effort to update the recently approved > RFCs to bring documents into compliance with the new ISO 639-3, which > essentially identifies the SIL Ethnologue codes as the extended codes > for comprehensive identification of languages. Also bear in mind (I > probably said this in another email) that when it comes to xml:lang, > we need to concern ourselves with langauge tags per IETF, not just > language codes alone. > > Sorry I'm not coming up with the absolute final answer here, but > sooner or later, one of the IETF guys will check his mail! > Best regards > Sue Ellen > > > On 12/21/06, *Bernard Vatant* <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com > <mailto:bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>> wrote: > > Sue Ellen > > I think you are absolutely right about this not being a significant > > task: the main issue is to get a variety of people from a number of > > communities of practice to agree on a single approach. > Sure enough. But at least we could help proposing at least one. :-) > > SKOS would certainly be one avenue. There may be others, and in the > > end, we may need more than one flavor in order to conform to > > requirements in a given environment, which is OK as long as we > can map > > successfully back and forth. > Yes, this is a good use case for mapping, either SKOS-to-SKOS mapping, > or mapping from some RDF dialect to another. You know it's one of my > favourite topics. > > I'm hoping that sooner or later one of the guys for W3C will weigh > > into this discussion and let us know whether they are already > > addressing this issue. > I've been searching the W3C I18n Activity > http://www.w3.org/International/ which looks to me the place where > such > things should happen, but it looks like at first sight there is no > connection between this activity and the SW activity. I will > investigate > further. > > It's a bad time of year to hope to catch everybody monitoring their > > email! > Indeed. By the way, Happy Xmas to all :-) > > Bernard > > There will be an ISO TC 37 meeting in January where we'll be > > addressing issues regarding our own metadata registry, and this will > > surely come up. > > Best regards > > Sue Ellen > > > > On 12/21/06, *Bernard Vatant* < bernard.vatant@mondeca.com > <mailto:bernard.vatant@mondeca.com> > > <mailto:bernard.vatant@mondeca.com > <mailto:bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>>> wrote: > > > > Hi Sue Ellen > > > > Thanks for your insights. Do you have pointers to the > discussions you > > mention, and/or any contact with people taking part in them, > and who > > would see some interest in RDF-ization of those resources? > (assuming > > such a class definition is satisfiable). > > Actually when one looks at > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry > > < http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry>, the > > technical > > task of migrating its content into RDF, as long as a relevant > > vocabulary > > is defined, is quite trivial. > > After that it's mainly a political issue. :-) > > But there is a point that has not been answered so far in my > original > > question. Would SKOS a relevant format for such a > representation? > > > > Bernard > > > > > > Sue Ellen Wright a écrit : > > > Hi, All, > > > There's serious discussions going on concerning the IETF > > language tag > > > subtag registry and the ISO implementations of the 639 > family of > > > codes, so I think it makes sense to coordinate any efforts > in this > > > direction with the folks working on those two sets of > standards. > > IETF > > > 4647 spells out means for matching codes, but it would > make things a > > > lot simpler if we have a more or less standard format for > > representing > > > them in rdf. > > > Bye for now > > > Sue Ellen > > > > > > > > > On 12/20/06, *Thomas Baker* <baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de > <mailto:baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de> > > <mailto:baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de > <mailto:baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de> > > > > <mailto:baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de > <mailto:baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de> > > <mailto:baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de > <mailto:baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de>> >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 06:54:18PM +0100, Bernard > Vatant wrote: > > > > ISO-639 languages are used in XML and in RDF, and in > SKOS, via > > > their > > > > code used as value of xml:lang attribute. > > > > But for various applications, it would be interesting to > > define > > > those > > > > languages as proper RDF resources. > > > > > > > > So far, the only attempt to do so I've found in RDF is > > > > http://downlode.org/rdf/iso-639/ and the description it > > provides is > > > > quite basic. > > > ... > > > > > > > So, we have public concepts, a lot of data to mine, we > > have use > > > cases, > > > > all we need is a namespace to which append ISO 639 > codes to > > > forge URIs. > > > > Who is likely to host and maintain that namespace? > > > > http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/language# > > > <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/language#> ? > > > > http://purl.org/dc/language/ > <http://purl.org/dc/language/> ? > > > ... > > > > Since I think we can wait for quite a while before ISO > > delivers > > > such a > > > > thing in its own namespace - and I would be happy to > be proven > > > wrong > > > > here - I wonder what kind of initiative could move > this thing > > > forward. > > > > Is it in DCMI intention to define those instances in > its own > > > namespace > > > > (Tom, any clues on that?). > > > > > > Well, I agree with the need :-) > > > > > > Several years ago, we considered opening a DCMI > service for the > > > "registration" of URIs identifying controlled > vocabularies for > > > use as encoding schemes in metadata. While the demand > for such > > > a service was clear, the project did not look > maintainable, > > > sustainable, and scalable. > > > > > > Unless URIs are coined "once and for all" and "with no > > > guarantees" (and how useful is that?), it is not clear > > > how such a namespace host should operate over time. The > > > impulse to "just do it" comes up against hard questions. > > > Even just maintaining URIs for entities in a separately > > > maintained ISO standard would involve a significant > commitment. > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > -- > > > Tom Baker - tbaker@tbaker.de <mailto:tbaker@tbaker.de> > <mailto:tbaker@tbaker.de <mailto:tbaker@tbaker.de>> > > <mailto:tbaker@tbaker.de <mailto:tbaker@tbaker.de> > <mailto:tbaker@tbaker.de <mailto:tbaker@tbaker.de>>> - > > > baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de > <mailto:baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de> > > <mailto:baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de > <mailto:baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de>> <mailto: > > baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de > <mailto:baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de> > <mailto:baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de > <mailto:baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de>>> > > > > > > <mailto:sewright@neo.rr.com <mailto:sewright@neo.rr.com>> > > > < http://mondeca.wordpress.com/> > > > > > -- > Sue Ellen Wright > Institute for Applied Linguistics > Kent State University > Kent OH 44242 USA > sellenwright@gmail.com <mailto:sellenwright@gmail.com> > swright@kent.edu <mailto:swright@kent.edu> > sewright@neo.rr.com <mailto:sewright@neo.rr.com> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 20/12/2006 15:54 > -- *Bernard Vatant *Knowledge Engineering ---------------------------------------------------- *Mondeca** *3, cité Nollez 75018 Paris France Web: www.mondeca.com <http://www.mondeca.com> ---------------------------------------------------- Tel: +33 (0) 871 488 459 Mail: bernard.vatant@mondeca.com <mailto:bernard.vatant@mondeca.com> Blog: Leçons de Choses <http://mondeca.wordpress.com/>
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