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RE: [Proposal][SKOS-Core] skos:denotes

From: Miles, AJ (Alistair) <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:20:43 +0100
Message-ID: <350DC7048372D31197F200902773DF4C05E50C46@exchange11.rl.ac.uk>
To: 'Dave Reynolds' <der@hplb.hpl.hp.com>, "Miles, AJ (Alistair) " <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>
Cc: "'public-esw-thes@w3.org'" <public-esw-thes@w3.org>

What if the definition of 'skos:denotes' was something like ...

'The OWL Individual or Class that this concept corresponds to.' 

... ?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
> [mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Dave Reynolds
> Sent: 29 September 2004 16:13
> To: Miles, AJ (Alistair) 
> Cc: 'public-esw-thes@w3.org'
> Subject: Re: [Proposal][SKOS-Core] skos:denotes
> 
> 
> 
> The RDF resource of type foaf:Person is already a concept or 
> at least an 
> abstract thing, it's not the real Al. So you have a concept 
> denoting an 
> abstract thing. Sorry but I don't follow this. This is, no 
> doubt, due to my 
> lack of sufficient grounding in philosophy but I think you'll 
> need more 
> explaination if us poor technical types are supposed to be 
> able to grok it.
> 
> Dave
> 
> Miles, AJ (Alistair) wrote:
> 
> > To help clear things up ...
> > 
> > This property (whatever we end up calling it) is intended 
> to be a bridge
> > between thesaurus style descriptions of things and ontology style
> > descriptions of things.  Others (Danbri help me out here) 
> will be able to
> > give better examples than me, but here is one example:
> > 
> > my:conceptA		a	skos:Concept;
> > 	skos:prefLabel	'Alistair Miles';
> > 	skos:denotes	[	a	foaf:Person;
> > 						foaf:mbox
> > <mailto:a.j.miles@rl.ac.uk>	].
> > 
> > It has also been suggested to have further properties like
> > 'skos:denotesClass' and 'skos:denotesIndividual' ... what 
> do folks think
> > about that?
> > 
> > On the subject of whether 'denotes' is the right name for 
> this property ...
> > the Cambridge Advanced Learners Dictionary [1] has 'denotes' df. 'to
> > represent something.'  The third definition from 
> dictionary.com [2] has
> > 'denotes' df. 'To signify directly; refer to specifically.'  
> > 
> > So in these senses, I think we have 'skos:denotes' the 
> right way round,
> > although I agree it doesn't seem quite perfect.  All 
> suggestions welcomed.  
> > 
> > Al.
> > 
> > [1] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=20729&dict=CALD
> > [2] http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=denotes
> > 
> > ---
> > Alistair Miles
> > Research Associate
> > CCLRC - Rutherford Appleton Laboratory
> > Building R1 Room 1.60
> > Fermi Avenue
> > Chilton
> > Didcot
> > Oxfordshire OX11 0QX
> > United Kingdom
> > Email:        a.j.miles@rl.ac.uk
> > Tel: +44 (0)1235 445440
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
> >>[mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Kal Ahmed
> >>Sent: 29 September 2004 15:21
> >>To: Miles, AJ (Alistair) 
> >>Cc: 'public-esw-thes@w3.org'
> >>Subject: Re: [Proposal][SKOS-Core] skos:denotes
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi Al,
> >>
> >>Either I misunderstand the definition or else I think your 
> >>property name 
> >>should be skos:denoted-by as it is the resource that denotes the 
> >>concept....hmmm...I just checked 
> >>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=denotes and I am 
> >>assuming you 
> >>are using "denotes" in the sense of definition (3). Is that right ?
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>
> >>Kal
> >>
> >>Miles, AJ (Alistair) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi all,
> >>>
> >>>This is a proposal for a new property for SKOS Core:
> >>>
> >>>skos:denotes	a	rdf:Property;
> >>>				a	owl:FunctionalProperty;
> >>>				rdfs:domain		skos:Concept;
> >>>				rdfs:range		rdf:Resource;
> >>>				vm:term_status	'unstable';
> >>>				skos:definition	'The real world 
> >>
> >>thing that
> >>
> >>>this concept is an abstraction of.'
> >>>
> >>>Comments on this (and especially the definition) most welcome.
> >>>
> >>>Al.
> >>>
> >>>---
> >>>Alistair Miles
> >>>Research Associate
> >>>CCLRC - Rutherford Appleton Laboratory
> >>>Building R1 Room 1.60
> >>>Fermi Avenue
> >>>Chilton
> >>>Didcot
> >>>Oxfordshire OX11 0QX
> >>>United Kingdom
> >>>Email:        a.j.miles@rl.ac.uk
> >>>Tel: +44 (0)1235 445440
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > 
> 
> 
> 
Received on Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:21:18 GMT

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