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Re: [Proposal][SKOS-Core] skos:denotes

From: Dave Reynolds <der@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:13:05 +0100
Message-ID: <415AD101.1020400@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
To: "Miles, AJ (Alistair) " <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>
Cc: "'public-esw-thes@w3.org'" <public-esw-thes@w3.org>

The RDF resource of type foaf:Person is already a concept or at least an 
abstract thing, it's not the real Al. So you have a concept denoting an 
abstract thing. Sorry but I don't follow this. This is, no doubt, due to my 
lack of sufficient grounding in philosophy but I think you'll need more 
explaination if us poor technical types are supposed to be able to grok it.

Dave

Miles, AJ (Alistair) wrote:

> To help clear things up ...
> 
> This property (whatever we end up calling it) is intended to be a bridge
> between thesaurus style descriptions of things and ontology style
> descriptions of things.  Others (Danbri help me out here) will be able to
> give better examples than me, but here is one example:
> 
> my:conceptA		a	skos:Concept;
> 	skos:prefLabel	'Alistair Miles';
> 	skos:denotes	[	a	foaf:Person;
> 						foaf:mbox
> <mailto:a.j.miles@rl.ac.uk>	].
> 
> It has also been suggested to have further properties like
> 'skos:denotesClass' and 'skos:denotesIndividual' ... what do folks think
> about that?
> 
> On the subject of whether 'denotes' is the right name for this property ...
> the Cambridge Advanced Learners Dictionary [1] has 'denotes' df. 'to
> represent something.'  The third definition from dictionary.com [2] has
> 'denotes' df. 'To signify directly; refer to specifically.'  
> 
> So in these senses, I think we have 'skos:denotes' the right way round,
> although I agree it doesn't seem quite perfect.  All suggestions welcomed.  
> 
> Al.
> 
> [1] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=20729&dict=CALD
> [2] http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=denotes
> 
> ---
> Alistair Miles
> Research Associate
> CCLRC - Rutherford Appleton Laboratory
> Building R1 Room 1.60
> Fermi Avenue
> Chilton
> Didcot
> Oxfordshire OX11 0QX
> United Kingdom
> Email:        a.j.miles@rl.ac.uk
> Tel: +44 (0)1235 445440
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
>>[mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Kal Ahmed
>>Sent: 29 September 2004 15:21
>>To: Miles, AJ (Alistair) 
>>Cc: 'public-esw-thes@w3.org'
>>Subject: Re: [Proposal][SKOS-Core] skos:denotes
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi Al,
>>
>>Either I misunderstand the definition or else I think your 
>>property name 
>>should be skos:denoted-by as it is the resource that denotes the 
>>concept....hmmm...I just checked 
>>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=denotes and I am 
>>assuming you 
>>are using "denotes" in the sense of definition (3). Is that right ?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Kal
>>
>>Miles, AJ (Alistair) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>This is a proposal for a new property for SKOS Core:
>>>
>>>skos:denotes	a	rdf:Property;
>>>				a	owl:FunctionalProperty;
>>>				rdfs:domain		skos:Concept;
>>>				rdfs:range		rdf:Resource;
>>>				vm:term_status	'unstable';
>>>				skos:definition	'The real world 
>>
>>thing that
>>
>>>this concept is an abstraction of.'
>>>
>>>Comments on this (and especially the definition) most welcome.
>>>
>>>Al.
>>>
>>>---
>>>Alistair Miles
>>>Research Associate
>>>CCLRC - Rutherford Appleton Laboratory
>>>Building R1 Room 1.60
>>>Fermi Avenue
>>>Chilton
>>>Didcot
>>>Oxfordshire OX11 0QX
>>>United Kingdom
>>>Email:        a.j.miles@rl.ac.uk
>>>Tel: +44 (0)1235 445440
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
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