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RE: subject indicators ... ?

From: Miles, AJ (Alistair) <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:37:08 +0100
Message-ID: <350DC7048372D31197F200902773DF4C05E50C94@exchange11.rl.ac.uk>
To: "'carlmattocks@checkmi.com'" <carlmattocks@checkmi.com>, "Miles, AJ (Alistair) " <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>
Cc: 'Stella Dextre Clarke' <sdclarke@lukehouse.demon.co.uk>, "'public-esw-thes@w3.org'" <public-esw-thes@w3.org>

I support this suggestion from Carl.

Al.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
> [mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Carl Mattocks
> Sent: 07 October 2004 16:35
> To: Miles, AJ (Alistair)
> Cc: 'Stella Dextre Clarke'; 'public-esw-thes@w3.org'
> Subject: RE: subject indicators ... ?
> 
> 
> 
> Al:
> 
> Perhaps as a placekeeper you should just use 
> PublishedSubjectIndicator and
> give the OASIS folks the luxury of defining / defending that 
> paradigm (it
> is NOT easy).
> 
> carl
> <quote who="Miles, AJ (Alistair)">
> >
> > Thanks Stella.
> >
> > I agree, the name 'indicator' is a bit vague ... I 
> originally suggested it
> > because of the parallel with the OASIS published subject indicator
> > paradigm,
> > and in the additional hope of building a bit of overlap 
> with topic-map
> > standards.
> >
> > I think 'authority' and 'source' are unfortunately a bit 
> overloaded ...
> >
> > Some more ideas (brainstorming here): 'resolveTo' 'resolutionTarget'
> > 'webPresence' 'webDescriptor' ... (still not discounting 
> 'indicator') ???
> >
> > Al.
> >
> > ---
> > Alistair Miles
> > Research Associate
> > CCLRC - Rutherford Appleton Laboratory
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> > Tel: +44 (0)1235 445440
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Stella Dextre Clarke [mailto:sdclarke@lukehouse.demon.co.uk]
> >> Sent: 07 October 2004 12:15
> >> To: 'Miles, AJ (Alistair) '; public-esw-thes@w3.org
> >> Subject: RE: subject indicators ... ?
> >>
> >>
> >> Just trying to catch up with this one. I guess such a
> >> property could be
> >> useful. The purpose seems to be to point to the place where
> >> you can find
> >> out the most authoritative information available about a concept. I
> >> begin to wonder whether the name should involve something
> >> like "source"
> >> or "authority", although I don't have any objection to "indicator",
> >> except perhaps that it is vague. I can't point to any existing
> >> convention for what people tend to call this type of
> >> property, since it
> >> is a fairly new way of doing things. I see it as perhaps a way of
> >> providing added value to the traditional thesaurus model, and
> >> time will
> >> tell whether and how people find it useful. ( It's not 
> easy trying to
> >> make up standards in advance of precedents!)
> >> Cheers
> >> Stella
> >>
> >> *****************************************************
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
> >> [mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Miles, AJ
> >> (Alistair)
> >> Sent: 06 October 2004 14:22
> >> To: 'public-esw-thes@w3.org'
> >> Subject: FW: subject indicators ... ?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >AJM said:
> >> Also I wasn't talking about identifying concepts in relation
> >> to *someone
> >> elses* indicators, although this would be a possibility [with the
> >> implication that (?x skos:indicator ?i) (?y skos:indicator 
> ?i) -> (?x
> >> skos-map:exactMatch ?y)].
> >>
> >> So I just realised that, if allowed to be used in this way,
> >> of course a
> >> 'skos:indicator' type property *should not* be an IFP.
> >>
> >> An alternative name has been suggested to me, something 
> involving the
> >> word 'indicative' ... e.g. 'indicativeRepresentation'
> >> 'indicativeResource' ... just throwing ideas out, hoping to
> >> work towards
> >> a name that reflects well the intended usage.
> >>
> >> Al.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Alistair Miles
> >> Research Associate
> >> CCLRC - Rutherford Appleton Laboratory
> >> Building R1 Room 1.60
> >> Fermi Avenue
> >> Chilton
> >> Didcot
> >> Oxfordshire OX11 0QX
> >> United Kingdom
> >> Email:        a.j.miles@rl.ac.uk
> >> Tel: +44 (0)1235 445440
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
> >> > [mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Leonard Will
> >> > Sent: 05 October 2004 16:49
> >> > To: public-esw-thes@w3.org
> >> > Subject: Re: subject indicators ... ?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > In message
> >> > <350DC7048372D31197F200902773DF4C05E50C6E@exchange11.rl.ac.uk>
> >> >  on Tue, 5
> >> > Oct 2004, "Miles, AJ (Alistair)" <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk> wrote
> >> > >The idea I had for a 'skos:indicator' property is that it
> >> > points to a
> >> > >web resource that consists of a *complete* description of
> >> > the concept.
> >> > >This should include labels, definitions, examples, etc.
> >> > where present.
> >> >
> >> > I would think that the only place you would find a suitable
> >> > *complete*
> >> > description would be within a knowledge organisation scheme
> >> that had
> >> > been compiled in accordance with the standards that you are
> >> > using. Are
> >> > you then just in the situation of borrowing elements from
> >> > other KOSs -
> >> > i.e. merging or mapping?
> >> >
> >> > >Such a 'skos:indicator' property would also provide an
> >> > alternative to
> >> > >resolvable URIs for concepts ... i.e. you can have a 
> concept with a
> >> > >non-resolvable URI, and if you are looking for a complete
> >> > >(content-negotiable) description of that concept, you 
> look up the
> >> > >'indicator'.
> >> >
> >> > What could an "indicator" be if it pointed to a web resource
> >> > but was not
> >> > a URI? I thought that a URI was a general name for something that
> >> > pointed to a web resource.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure what you mean by "content-negotiable".
> >> >
> >> > Leonard
> >> > --
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> >> > -----------------
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> 
> 
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