Re: Selecting Authoring Tools - needs

All good Shawn, thank you :)

Nic

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org> wrote:

> Agree to use the repo -- can use the wiki in the repo.
>
> I think we are talking about 2 different things:
> 1. people purchasing and using authoring tools
> 2. people developing authoring tools
>
> I think this resource was primarily for #1.
>
> We might want different material for #2. fyi, We did a promotion campaign
> for this audience a while back <https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wik
> i/Outreach_for_ATAG_2.0> I think it would be good to do another.
>
> I think we don't want the same resource for both audiences -- although I
> don't feel strongly at this point, and would be happy for the group to
> consider it.
>
> Happy to discuss! That's what the Requirements Analysis is for -- to "get
> on the same page".
>
> (Also, another thought I had "in the shower", was that maybe we don't need
> the sections "Limitations of Existing Authoring Tools" and "Examples of
> strategies to work around limitations of existing authoring tools" anymore?
> I did not read it to decide if I have a suggestion for or against. I just
> wanted to mention it so that you don't feel you *have* to keep that info...)
>
> Looking forward to working on it with you and the group in a few days!
>
> Cheers,
> ~Shawn
>
>
> On 3/15/2018 10:16 AM, Nicolas Steenhout wrote:
>
>> Hi Shawn,
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback.
>>
>> As it turns out, Eric did create a repo for the resouce (from the plane
>> over the Atlantic, no less!!!). I'm happy enough to use the Wiki, but I'm
>> thinking long term, it might be better if all the information was in one
>> place, being able to see the discussion via issues, etc, rather than having
>> multiple places to check for information about the document and the work
>> being done.
>>
>> I'll do more work on the plan, based on your feedback.
>>
>> Just to address your comment quickly about CMS, LMS, CRM developers not
>> being a target audience. I think they are. They are a subset of "web
>> developers". Having been on the core team of a major FOSS CMS (Joomla!),
>> and having interacted with many other teams working on other CMS, I can
>> tell you that they have a lot of things to consider when it comes to
>> accessible authoring tools. And with the reach they have, they are probably
>> one of the most important target group to reach - For example, recent
>> numbers show that WordPress is used on nearly 1/4 of all sites on the web.
>>
>> And I'm happy about relaxing the timeline :)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Nic
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 9:41 PM, Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org <mailto:
>> shawn@w3.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Great start, Nic!
>>
>>     Attached please find my comments in-line as tracked changes.
>>
>>     To facilitate group work and not require a repo yet, I suggest
>> putting the info here for now:
>>     * https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Selecting_Authoring_Tools_
>> Requirements_Analysis <https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wik
>> i/Selecting_Authoring_Tools_Requirements_Analysis>
>> (purpose/goals/objectives, audience)
>>     * https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Selecting_Authoring_Tools_
>> Project_Info <https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Selecting_Authoring_Tools_
>> Project_Info> (schedule, project team)
>>
>>     Best,
>>     ~Shawn
>>
>>     On 3/14/2018 4:46 PM, Nicolas Steenhout wrote:
>>
>>         Hello everyone,
>>
>>         Please find attached the proposed plan for this resource.
>>
>>         In theory, I think most of the work can be achieved relatively
>> quickly. Perhaps even have a first draft for people to stick their noses in
>> at F2F.
>>
>>         I'm proposing an informal survey of several developers I know
>> that implement authoring tools in their system, to get a feel for what
>> they'd find useful on that page. This might take a bit more time, so maybe
>> do a first draft and adjust based on that feedback.
>>
>>         Cheers
>>
>>         Nic
>>
>>         On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org
>> <mailto:shawn@w3.org> <mailto:shawn@w3.org <mailto:shawn@w3.org>>> wrote:
>>
>>              I moved this on the F2F page, and sending it in e-mail so
>> you have it easily:
>>
>>              * '''Selecting Authoring Tools''' &mdash; [
>> https://www.w3.org/WAI/impl/software <https://www.w3.org/WAI/impl/s
>> oftware> <https://www.w3.org/WAI/impl/software <
>> https://www.w3.org/WAI/impl/software>> Selecting and Using Authoring
>> Tools for Web Accessibility] needs significant updating and revision. Maybe
>> would be good to have conceptual discussion at F2F *if* we have an editor
>> ready to take it on and they can have a draft Requirements Analysis before
>> the F2F. Here is old [https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Dra
>> fts/eval/selectingtools-changelog <https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Dra
>> fts/eval/selectingtools-changelog> <https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Dra
>> fts/eval/selectingtools-changelog <https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Dra
>> fts/eval/selectingtools-changelog>> Changelog] with very limited
>> Requirements Analysis. Here's [https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wik
>> i/Resource_Development_Life_Cycle/Stage_1._Requirements#
>> Requirements_Document
>>         <https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Resource_Development_Life_
>> Cycle/Stage_1._Requirements#Requirements_Document> <
>> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Resource_Development_Life_
>> Cycle/Stage_1._Requirements#Requirements_Document <
>> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Resource_Development_Life_
>> Cycle/Stage_1._Requirements#Requirements_Document>> Example Requirements
>> Analysis] (Shawn from charter)
>>
>>
>>
>>