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Re: organising an eGov global taskforce suggestions(redux)

From: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:21:58 -0800 (PST)
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To: "paoladimaio10@googlemail.com" <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>, Ed Summers <ehs@pobox.com>
Cc: "eGov IG \(Public\)" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>

eGovernment relies on 
many fixed but multi-part and interlinked codepoints, just like "Old 
Fashioned" Government.  An idea, however radical, however brilliant, can be lost in translation or lost in implementation.  eGov Linked Data is not immune from implementation losses, and should not be represented as such.  



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 From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
To: Ed Summers <ehs@pobox.com> 
Cc: paoladimaio10@googlemail.com; eGov IG (Public) <public-egov-ig@w3.org> 
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: organising an eGov global taskforce suggestions(redux)
 

Ed,
thank you for taking the topic to the meetings, and sorry I am not often online when they take place-
would be nice  to develop a strategy for this group cause there is a lot of  work in this direction (eGov) is needed


 I think ideally the
>eGov effort would be a community group that anyone (w3c member or not)
>could join. 

I think that's the case already, isnt it? 
 
I don't think this group is in a position to be able to
>identify individuals with integrity or ethics. 

no, you are right, that would also be too discriminating. we need to embrace all, :-)


I also think this group
>is quite small given it's scope (the Web and government/politics).
>However I think you're right that more could be done in the area of
>recruiting people to join the group. The big challenge here is
>language I think -- is it expected that communication be done in
>English? Or should language specific lists be created as needed? I
>don't know if this has come up before.
>

Good point. Language is indeed an issue, for most topics, and a big divide across all areas and knowledge domain.  I am aware that there should be ways to enable inter- multi- lingual discourse. not sure how to do it, but it could be important. For example, I spent time recently in Catalonia (similar  independent province like the Basque country from what I understand), they have their own language which is Catalan .  In Catalonya I have met, among other interesting people, a group of intellectuals critical of politics and governments in general. I recently pointed Felix Rodrigo Mora [1] to this eGov WG, as an example of places where we are keen to discuss how new technologies, if appropriately configured, could help to create a more transparent and inclusive and accountable and functional  and participatory forms of governance, and that at least this is one of the things that some of us would like to explore here.  The fellow is a radical thinker
 *may or may not agree with his political views (in fact I disagree with him quite a lot, yet the disagreement is documented in castellano [2] but he has a lot to say and has original ideas. However he does not speak English, so without a translating mechanism the group cannot interface with him.  

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG4lqUa8gH0
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_syz1_FxOHw (not a good video, just taped the conversation for note taking purposes)


The key thing for me is that some important ideas exist in the world that people may not come across because of the language divide.

Depending on who we find, and the type of work being done,  it could be group to have language specific subgroups to create telegraphic summaries of key documents/events/talks/ideas/books in local languages etc, and translate them to english, and generally cross reference resources and initiatives.  I find Google translate does a decent job , then a native speaker must make a few passes to refine the translation

>As far as guidelines go, I think the Improving Access to Government
>through Better Use of the Web [1] still does a pretty good job. But
>perhaps we need to build upon it?

defnt
 
Are there gaps that you think need
>to be addressed? I agree that there is definitely a need to share case
>studies better. 

must think
 
This area of the Wiki is particularly vacant [2,3].
>Maybe collecting already published examples of effective use of the
>Web by government would be a good way to bootstrap it? It seems like
>minimally adding the use cases that have come up on telecons would be
>a good thing to do.
>
>

 I suspect I may have started one or two of the pages below but may have forgotten to populate them (sorry) would b e good if those doing a presentation could also list and link the materials and documentation  in the relevant portions of the wiki <process>

 
//Ed
>
>[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/egov-improving/
>[2] http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page#6._Case_Studies
>[3] http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/EGov_Procurement
>
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