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Re: [Invitation] Semantic Interoperability Conference 2012

From: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 14:51:24 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <1337205084.92510.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
To: Brand Niemann <bniemann@cox.net>, 'Phil Archer' <phila@w3.org>
Cc: "public-egov-ig@w3.org" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>, 'Debora Di Giacomo' <debora.di.giacomo@pwc.be>
sorry, links

[1] http://www.rustprivacy.org/2012/cctld/branding/uk.html

[2] http://www.rustprivacy.org/2012/cctld/branding/eu.html

[3] http://www.rustprivacy.org/2012/cctld/branding/un.html

 From: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
To: Brand Niemann <bniemann@cox.net>; 'Phil Archer' <phila@w3.org> 
Cc: "public-egov-ig@w3.org" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>; 'Debora Di Giacomo' <debora.di.giacomo@pwc.be> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Invitation] Semantic Interoperability Conference 2012

Phil, as you say, Governments don't trust each other too much.  What I have in mind though is a URI as a Certificate of Origin (with time interval versioning), and alias for the originating namespace.  For example data.gov.uk [1], "data.gov.eu" [2] or "data.gov.cc" (United Nations Members, I also have WIPO (Intellectual Property) and UN/CLOS (UN Convention on Law of the Sea) Groups) [3].  The problem with all of these lists vis-a-vis linked data, is that the domain subdivisions all go their own way.   Regardless of Governments trusting each other, the subdivisions can choose to trust each other's data as long as the namespaces are not convolved.

The whole Universe is a bit of a project for a lone developer, so I'm starting with Earth.  I could provide a PDF Reference for the 230+ "Countries" and 4000+ "Domain Subdivisions" within a few days.  My dream format would be ePub or MOBI, not HTML.  The document has no political policy significance - it's a modern "Domesday Book" - a survey to make sure data can "come from" everywhere, even if data may not be able to "go everywhere".

I'm not sure if Brand just volunteered to go to the conference.  I'm battling chronic Mafunsalo, and won't be able to make it.  I do think the interoperability discussion will benefit from something more tangible than "you kids have to play nicer".


 From: Brand Niemann <bniemann@cox.net>
To: 'Phil Archer' <phila@w3.org>; 'Gannon Dick' <gannon_dick@yahoo.com> 
Cc: public-egov-ig@w3.org; 'Debora Di Giacomo' <debora.di.giacomo@pwc.be> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Invitation] Semantic Interoperability Conference 2012
I keynoted at least year's conference and showed them how to semantically
enhance their content for semantic interoperability. This year's keynote is
about NIEM, which I have already showed in inadequate for semantic
interoperability, so anything Gannon or I could show them should be helpful.

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Archer [mailto:phila@w3.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:14 PM
To: Gannon Dick
Cc: public-egov-ig@w3.org; Debora Di Giacomo
Subject: Re: [Invitation] Semantic Interoperability Conference 2012

Interesting, thanks Gannon.

It is clear that no matter how much techies shout that URIs are dumb strings
- of course they are brands too. A recurring issue in eGov circles (we've
talked about it) is that, for example, the US gov isn't going
 to use any
data with a URI on foo.eu and, even within the EU, countries like the UK
would think 17 times before using foo.eu for anything (we're in the EU but
more than half of the population sees Europe as a foreign land - I'm in the
minority on not holding this view).

data.gov.eu doesn't exist, but http://publicdata.eu/ does. In the
Netherlands it's http://www.overheid.nl - so the string 'gov' is not always
needed (and I know the US folks get really annoyed when the rest of us refer
to 'data gov' meaning data.gov.uk or any of the above mentioned portals.

Re your question - are you offering to come to Brussels and present your
work at the SEMIC conference? I am not responsible for organising the event
but I work closely with those that are. Drop a like to Debora Di Giacomo
(cc'd) if I've understood you correctly.


On 14/05/2012 23:42, Gannon Dick wrote:
> Thanks
> This opinion [1] if effected somewhere down the line would have a bearing
on the issue of the "data.gov" brand (gTLD).  That would include data.gov.uk
(ccTLD=UK), data.gov (ccTLD=US) and many others.  There is no "data.gov.eu",
and that's not the issue for branding and Trademarks, but when you
federalize the ccTLD, you risk losing sight of subdivisions and overseas
dependencies, and the UK, France, the Netherlands (off the top of my head)
and others, have overseas dependencies with seriously nice beaches and
climate :o)  In terms of gTLD branding, "data.gov.{gTLD}" is a possible
domain name, but does not supply a Government service.  The gTLD is an
official supplier of something, but not Government Data.
> I have a solution (amounting to carefully tabulating ccTLD's as gTLD's) if
you are interested, but I'm not sure if this
 is actually on the radar yet.
> --Gannon
> [1] http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/jcms/P_87207/
> ________________________________
>   From: Phil Archer<phila@w3.org>
> To: public-egov-ig@w3.org
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:33 AM
> Subject: [Invitation] Semantic Interoperability Conference 2012
> I believe this will be of interest to several members of the IG. It is at
the start of a week of events in Brussels in Mid-June. This one is on the
Monday, then on the Tuesday/Wednesday there's the Using Open Data Workshop
I'm organising under the Crossover project (position papers due by this
Saturday!) and then it's the Digital Agenda Assembly on the Thurs/Fri/. A
>   Semantic Interoperability Conference 2012
> Dear  Sir / Madam,
> We are pleased to invite you to the:
>   Semantic Interoperability Conference 2012
> SEMIC 2012 offers an opportunity to explore and discuss how semantic
interoperability solutions are being embraced by eGovernment initiatives.
The main topics of interest include:
>     * The practical use of semantic technologies such as RDF, OWL and
>     * The work of standardisation organisations in the field of semantic
>     * The business case for ICT projects to consider the use of semantic
> Monday, June 18, 2012 from 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM (GMT+0100)
> Madou Plaza Tower (Brussels)
> Auditorium - Ground Floor
> 1 Place Madou
 1210 Brussels
> Belgium
> View Map
> If you are interested to learn more about semantic technologies, join the
SEMIC 2012 conference in Brussels on 18th June 2012. This is a free and open
event, however registration is required and places are limited. Register
> Visit the conference website for detailed information.
> We are looking forward to welcoming you, Débora Di Giacomo
> - on behalf of the ISA Programme of the European Commission
> Share this event on LinkedIn and Twitter - #SEMIC2012
>    Phil Archer, W3C for
> The Joinup Team


Phil Archer
W3C eGovernment

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