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RE: National Strategy for Information Sharing & Safeguarding

From: Chris Beer <chris@codex.net.au>
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 10:23:56 +1100
Message-ID: <fyt9kdayb6okr3dhvhm4rxk7.1356129064354@email.android.com>
To: Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>, 'Brand Niemann' <bniemann@cox.net>, 'egov-ig mailing list' <public-egov-ig@w3.org>


a) @ Owen - 5 USC 306(d) prescriptively mandates Gov 2.0 (engage with citizens), not "you have to use social media".

b) @ all - be careful in throwing the term "social media" around in discussions like this without clarifying if you actually mean the concept (electronic communication channels that are two-way), the specific tech tools collectively referred to as social media (e.g. Instant message software, VOIP / video progs. etc) or the cloud of SM (blogosphere, twitterverse) etc.

c) @ Brand - StratML is an XML subset so by inference you just made a circular argument...

d) @ Owen - you are not alone - I too will keep making my own decisions. So stop trying to force my strategies to conform to your schema! :P

d) @ all - please stop throwing Semantic Web around like it is thing which only works using XML or this tool or that language or triple stores or RDF or microdata...

Remember the core - "What You Say Is What You Mean".

I always know what I mean. You think you know what I mean based on your view of the world.

The job of technologists, of government and the big data people, of policy makers and analysts is to make tools and solutions which can discover what I said, and with a reasonable degree of accuracy what I meant, collate all of it and try to make sense of what we all meant, so that a) you can use it as crowd sourced opinion (the e-gov angle) and b)  next time the machines know that when I say potato, and you say potarto, that we are talking about the same "thing".

e) The world is not the USA. The rest of us aren't mandated to use StratML. Hell, there will always exist the possibility that some countries will be mandated explicitly NOT to use StratML or fooML or barML... then where does interoperability get you?? But take a step back and consider the "raw data" - all systems, tools or technologies which consume the raw data of the Semantic Web (that is, my and everyone elses "Words") are instantly interoperable because they go back to the source as a basis.

A system in China using blahdeblah flavour of SGML and a system here using Foo flavour of XML and a StratML system will all know that when I say Yes, I mean Yes (not maybe or no). 

Because at the end of the day, it's:

"what *I* say, *is* what *I* mean", not;

"what *you* hear, is what *you* *think* I mean, even if its not".

f) Happy [insert your chosen end of year celebratory term here] to all!

Continue - Round 2 *ding ding* :)



Sent from Samsung MobileOwen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> wrote:That’s a valid point of view, Brand, but does anyone think “social” media as it currently exists is everything it can and should be for business purposes?  No further improvement possible?  No need for interoperability standards? 
I don’t. 
It seems to me that an open data standard like StratML is required to mature social media for business-quality usage, in support of the purposes outlined at http://xml.gov/stratml/index.htm#DefinitionPurposes
With respect to the business (goals & objectives) of government, while the GPRA Modernization Act (GPRAMA) does not reference social media per se, it does require agencies to:
a) publish their strategic and performance plans and reports in machine-readable format, like StratML [Sec. 10] and
b) “… solicit and consider the views and suggestions of those entities potentially affected by or interested …” in their plans. [5 USC 306(d)]
To me, that sounds like a great opportunity for the marriage of StratML with social media.  Big data for a purpose – to more efficiently and effectively accomplish objectives about which We the People care to devote our time, attention, and money.
From: Brand Niemann [mailto:bniemann@cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 4:24 PM
To: 'Owen Ambur'; 'egov-ig mailing list'
Subject: RE: National Strategy for Information Sharing & Safeguarding
Then I think the big data version of the StratML vision is social media which is big data which uses XML, but not StratML!
From: Owen Ambur [mailto:Owen.Ambur@verizon.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:05 PM
To: 'Brand Niemann'; 'egov-ig mailing list'
Subject: RE: National Strategy for Information Sharing & Safeguarding
Brand, the vision of the StratML standard is:  A worldwide web of intentions, stakeholders, and results (i.e., the *Strategic* Semantic Web).
Asking whether StratML will scale is like asking if HTML or XML will.  Whether StratML becomes BIG data or not will depend upon whether people believe their own rhetoric about openness, transparency, and participation.  (There’s a good chance they don’t, but if so, we should call their bluff.)
I for one do not plan to sit idly by and wait for the “big boys” (like Google, TBL, or anyone else) to tell me what I may or should do.  I plan to continue making such decisions for myself.  I hope and trust I am not alone in that regard.
From: Brand Niemann [mailto:bniemann@cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 12:47 AM
To: 'Owen Ambur'; 'egov-ig mailing list'
Subject: RE: National Strategy for Information Sharing & Safeguarding
I do not see any mention of “Big Data” in either NIEM or StratML. Will they apply or scale to “Big Data”?
From: Owen Ambur [mailto:Owen.Ambur@verizon.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:43 PM
To: 'egov-ig mailing list'
Subject: National Strategy for Information Sharing & Safeguarding
The recently issued National Strategy for Information Sharing and Safeguarding is now available in StratML Part 1, Strategic Plan, format at http://xml.gov/stratml/drybridge/index.htm#NSISS
It would be good if the implementation plan were to be published in open, standard, machine-readable StratML Part 2, Performance Plan/Report, format with designated roles and clearly specified performance indicators.

Doing so would be consistent with the provisions of section 10 of the GPRA Modernization Act (GPRAMA) as well as OMB Circular A-119. http://xml.gov/stratml/references/PL111-532StratML.htm#SEC10 & http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/circulars_a119#6
From: messages-noreply@bounce.linkedin.com [mailto:messages-noreply@bounce.linkedin.com] On Behalf Of National Information Exchange Model (NIEM) Group Members
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:55 AM
To: Owen Ambur
Subject: [1] discussion on LinkedIn
National Information Exchange Model (NIEM)
December 20, 2012 
New Discussions (1)
Are you ready for more #NIEM? Check out the National Strategy for Information Sharing and Safeguarding signed by the President.
Started by Donna Roy, Experienced technology innovator with data and information focus.
Received on Friday, 21 December 2012 23:24:43 UTC

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