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Re: [open-government] Public Data Catalog Priorities and Demand

From: Antti \ <antti.poikola@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:27:21 +0200
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+7U+KxD0VB+WAaRn8kZJZ0wA5xg9Wx+oAuKe0@mail.gmail.com>
To: open-government@lists.okfn.org, public-egov-ig@w3.org
Cc: Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray@okfn.org>, Steven Clift <clift@e-democracy.org>, chris-beer@grapevine.net.au
Hi again with this topic,

I summarised parts of the earlier discussion about "Public Data Catalog
Priorities and Demand" in a loooooong blog post [1]- The image in the
beginning of the post is worth seeing. Below also the part of the post that
I would still love to get your comments.

[1] http://wp.me/p2aPa-2A

Best regards,
Antti Poikola

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*---CLIP---
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*Categorisation*
The current data catalogues mostly list datasets that are already open, so
the represent a “part of the whole”. It would help the discussions and the
process of prioritising data opening if also the “whole” would be
represented somehow. The realm of possibly publishable datasets (data that
is not sensitive by nature i.e. for privacy or security reasons) that
governments typically have is vast but not unlimited.

It should be possible to build some general level categorisation that would
state that a country (or a city) most probably holds publishable information
in these themes x,y,z…. Of course the countries and cities are different and
collect different information and we may dive deep into the discussions like
“what is considered as government data (big databases vs. individual excel
sheets used by few civil servants)?” and “how do we define a dataset (are
housing price statistics 2010 and 2011 different datasets)?”

Jonathan Gray writes<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009Dec/0050.html>
:

Some kind of basic visual ‘map’ to PSI would be interesting, so that the
public holdings of different countries could be directly compared and so you
could get a sense of what was available and what was missing in different
countries.

The report of the 2006 MEPSIR
study<http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/psi/actions_eu/policy_actions/mepsir/index_en.htm>is
one good starting point for general categories of public sector
information (PSI). The study divides PSI in six domains and several
sub-domains. The main domains are: *Business information, Geographic
information, Legal information, Meteorological information, Social data and
Transport information* (see p. 25 chapter 8: Overview of results for the
domains).

Beside MEPSIR, are there any other ready made categorisations? Especially
I’m interested in city-level public data?


On 10 January 2011 20:20, Antti "Jogi" Poikola <antti.poikola@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thank you all who have provided me with links and insights (keep em
> coming).
>
> For Gerhard: My intension is not to redo the work done before and that is
> exactly the reason why I made the question.
>
> One good collection of pointers is http://wiki.civiccommons.org/
>
> I try to build a easy-to-grasp and easy-to-communicate overview of the
> various domains of public sector information and the current applications
> and future ideas. This is not meant for my self and even less for the
> insiders who know this debate over the course of "14 years or more", but for
> the increasing amount of people that are now getting involved in the
> "movement".
>
> BR, Antti Poikola (Finland)
>
>
> On 10 January 2011 14:12, Michael Phythian <p06190859@myemail.dmu.ac.uk>wrote:
>
>> Or perhaps the book chapter by Nigel Shadbolt et al and susequent
>> references I mention here?
>>
>> http://greatemancipator.com/2011/01/05/semantic-web/ ‎
>>
>> Mick
>>
>> On 10 January 2011 09:49, Mary Rowlatt <mary.rowlatt@btinternet.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A good place to start would be the European Public Sector Information
>>> (PSI) Platform (ePSIplatform) at http://www.epsiplus.net/ - in
>>> particular the Topic Reports and PSI Library.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* public-egov-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:
>>> public-egov-ig-request@w3.org] *On Behalf Of *Ton Zijlstra
>>>
>>> *Sent:* 10 January 2011 08:59
>>> *To:* innovation-navigator@chello.at
>>> *Cc:* Antti "Jogi" Poikola; sunlightlabs@groups.google.com;
>>> open-government@lists.okfn.org; public-egov-ig@w3.org
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [open-government] Public Data Catalog Priorities and
>>> Demand
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Gerhard,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> perhaps you can then enlighten Antti with some pointers to those "plenty
>>> of publications,
>>>
>>> either those of my colleagues or mine. Or addressed in previous EU
>>> projects." for him to start getting the overview he wishes have.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> best,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>> -------------------------------------------
>>> Interdependent Thoughts
>>> Ton Zijlstra
>>>
>>> ton@tonzijlstra.eu
>>> +31-6-34489360
>>>
>>> http://zylstra.org/blog
>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>  2011/1/10 The Innovation Magazine <innovation-navigator@chello.at>
>>>
>>> Dear Antti, Dear Steven,
>>>
>>> I do appreciate your enthusiasm.
>>> But open data and PSI re-use have been heavily researched and debated
>>> on for now 14 years and not one.
>>>
>>> All the addressed topics and questions can be found in plenty of
>>> publications,
>>> either those of my colleagues or mine. Or addressed in previous EU
>>> projects.
>>> However, most publications are not for free.
>>> not only legal bus also businss opportunities and markets have been dealt
>>> with.
>>>
>>> You might redo the same work, but it will be very time-consuming.
>>> Insiders know quite well which kind of PSI is asked for and what less.
>>> And where the re-use barriers are constituted in Europe.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Gerhard
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09.01.2011 16:33, Antti "Jogi" Poikola wrote:
>>>
>>>  Happy new year,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone collected information about:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A) the applications / ideas / usage / demand of public sector data (i.e.
>>> categorized list of all kinds of applications and application ideas)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> B) the content of the data catalogues, what kind of data is currently
>>> provided by the governments (local, regional, national)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm trying to build the big picture that would unite the general themes
>>> of the public sector data and the general classes (current) of applications
>>> and application-ideas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The question above is continuation to the discussion started by Steven
>>> Clift over a year ago. Starting post is below and the relevant archive links
>>> are:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009Nov/0039.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009Dec/0038.html <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009Dec/0038.html>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One year is long time in the current open data movement, so I hope that I
>>> get more insight knowledge and links now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Antti Poikola (Finland)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 November 2009 18:20, Steven Clift <clift@e-democracy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Has anyone explored what government data is in highest "demand" on the
>>> emerging public data reuse sites? How does interest from different
>>> re-user audiences vary (e.g.  business, media, open gov advocates,
>>> independent coders, etc.)
>>>
>>> Also, has anyone started a comparsion chart of what different
>>> governments are providing? It would be interesting to quickly see what
>>>  different national or local governments are providing now and over
>>> time. This gets to the "what's important" to release for easy reuse
>>> versus what is the easiest or least politically sensitive.
>>>
>>> Steven Clift
>>> E-Democracy.org
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>> --
>> Mick Phythian
>> Research Student
>> Centre for Computing and Social Responsibility
>> School of Technology
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