Re: New Open Government Platform code released

Hi,
<<Moved this thread to public GLD WG, not just co-chairs>>

I saw reference to the GLD WG chairs helping here ... this goes way beyond the GLD WG charter [1].  Personally, I agree with several points raised in the thread.  Firstly, international standards bodies/UN/international orgs can fulfill an important role by recommending sensible gTLD strategies and government URI naming schemes.  We're addressing a small part of the later item (URI construction) in a deliverable by the W3C GLD WG which will be reviewed by W3C members and the public in 2012.

If recommendations were defined, it will take individuals, some who are on this list who are in a position to influence their respective governments, to approve it & support uptake of the recommendation(s).  It's a critical bit of infrastructure to both understand & get right.  In the absence of a recommendation/framework, a land grab with undesirable outcomes is likely to ensue.  

I'm curious if the strategists advising data.gov.* initiatives have this on their radar as something that is needed and/or perceived as useful to sort out??

Cheers,

Bernadette Hyland
co-chair W3C Government Linked Data Working Group

[1] GLD WG charter: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/

On Dec 9, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Gannon Dick wrote:

> Chris + All,
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> I think it's really a matter of protecting the "DATA.GOV.xx" brand for Federal GLD.  IANA has many test domains, but they are primarily for language[1].  ISO[2] has "test" country codes, user defined codes which can stand as placeholders for local (and Municipal) installations in development, just like everyone has a loop-back IP, which by common agreement are not a part of the www. UN/LOCODES uses one of these for "Installations in International Waters" (XZ), you might want to avoid that.  A filter could be made for Drupal with the web.config file, no ?
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> I think an RFC would be the best way to codify a filter ... when can we expect your draft, Chris ?  Just kidding, I'm sure the gld chairs will help you.
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> --Gannon
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> [1] http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db
> [2] http://www.iso.org/iso/iso-3166-1_decoding_table
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> From: Chris Beer <chris@codex.net.au>
> To: jeanne.m.holm@jpl.nasa.gov; gannon_dick@yahoo.com; public-egov-ig@w3.org; public-lod@w3.org 
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 5:26 PM
> Subject: Re: New Open Government Platform code released
> 
> Hi Jeanne
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> a) Is there a dedicated group, list or contact for the dev cycle? (alpha, beta, RC, rel). Feel free to send details direct and I'll talk off list with a view to getting the .gov.au Drupal/open data community into the loop as an ongoing exercise.
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> b) erewhon.gov (I originally called it example.gov or something) was always a nice idea. But it is probably far easier for every gov to make use of handles/PIDs, RDF, standard domains etc to make a example.any.data.gov(.*) which acts as a community cloud with localisation. Anyway, while off topic a little, it would seem there exists a strong business case for an agreement to exist between W3, ICANN, IETF, the UN and associated groups such as ISO, OGC, EU, G20 etc, to establish a gTLD along the lines of .* (obviously it would need to be something other than the actual wildcard character for DNS reasons). This would allow for a variety of test beds and sandboxes to be used in cross org/state developments such as a true 'data.gov.*' for instance, or 'alpha.semweb.*', or even health.gov.* etc. (It also seems logical in a SemWeb and e-gov sense - simple triple lists etc of all relevant sites/services in an internationally accepted domain - eg hospital.gov.* should just redirect you to the closest Government's hospital and health directory, space.gov.* should take you to the closest space agency website etc.)
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> Pie in the sky maybe, but certainly there appears to be a need. And the timing is right with new gTLD applications being taken as of Jan. 2012. As it would be a high level agreement, it could be done at little to no cost as it is in the public interest (as opposed to the $185k being charged to business).
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> (example.data.gov for our needs here would always have been ideal, bar for the defacto position which saw the US take over .gov rather than using .gov.us as they really should under the standard.)
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> Interested in what others think. Is this something all of our standards communities/UN/international orgs should be looking to implement? If so, how do we propose/drive it, and what would be the next step? We are prob a little to far down the chain to really influence such a thing, but...
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> Cheers
> 
> Chris Beer
> Australian .gov.au IT type (with all opinions my own of course)
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> Sent from Samsung Mobile
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> "Holm, Jeanne M (1760)" <jeanne.m.holm@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: 
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> Thanks for the feedback Gannon.  I really appreciate it.
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> As you know, this kind of feedback is critical to us being able to iterate with you and the broad community on getting this from Alpha to Beta.  We've gotten some other feedback as well and are working on many some fixes.  I'll check out erewhon.gov…  
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> Thanks!
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> --Jeanne
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> Jeanne Holm
> Evangelist, Data.gov
> U.S. General Services Administration
> Cell: (818) 434-5037
> Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn: JeanneHolm
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> From: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:09:24 -0800
> To: "chris@codex.net.au" <chris@codex.net.au>, Jeanne Holm <Jeanne.M.Holm@jpl.nasa.gov>
> Subject: Re: New Open Government Platform code released
> 
> After 20hrs. I succeeded in getting a minimum Drupal-7.10 installation working on the loop-back of an old laptop.  I started from scratch, as it were, installing Linux (desktop), then Apache, etc..  Nonetheless,  little boy named Ed S. is getting coal in his stocking.  I'm still not sure what the symlink to the 'dgib_dms' directory is all about.  I think that directory is created on installation.  How did you come out Chris ?  If I could make a suggestion Jeanne ... a test deployment, refreshed overnight would be real handy.  May I suggest www.erewhon.gov, and you should list it as a deployment in the Community Directory as well.
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> --Gannon  
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> From: Chris Beer <chris@codex.net.au>
> To: "Holm, Jeanne M (1760)" <jeanne.m.holm@jpl.nasa.gov> 
> Cc: "public-egov-ig@w3.org" <public-egov-ig@w3.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 12:58 AM
> Subject: Re: New Open Government Platform code released
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> OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!
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> "Something something Dark Side... something something something Data Management and Repository Software Requirements complete..."
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> Thankyou for letting us know! I know what I'm installing tonight...
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> Cheers
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> Chris
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