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Re: G2G, B2C

From: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:49:33 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <714918.19729.qm@web112620.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
To: public-egov-ig@w3.org
I published a PDF version of the skos:Concept (Subdivisions) triple store for Spookville.  It is accessible from a link on the "Community Map" page only.  The "Community Map" page is a listing of skos:TopConcept (Country / dbp:Government).

The PDF is nearly unusable - unless it can be searched as a triple store - but that is the very reason linked data is useful, and Spookville differs from the one level approach.

For (a real world) example, there is a product comes from  "Zajas".  There is no index entry for Zajas so you have to search the PDF and you find that Zajas (coded:ZA) is a region of Macedonia (search again) (coded:MK). Where a triple store shows it's stuff is the other possibilities you eliminated (only one of the choices is named "Zajas") ...

Az Zāhirah (part of:Oman) (code:ZA)
Az Zāwiyah (part of:Libyan Arab Jamahiriya) (code:ZA)
South Africa (code:ZA)
Zacapa (part of:Guatemala) (code:ZA)
Zajas (part of:Macedonia) (code:ZA)
Zala (part of:Hungary) (code:ZA)
Zamfara (part of:Nigeria) (code:ZA)
Zamora (part of:Spain) (code:ZA)

Also in the real world (US version), this product would be labeled "Made in Macedonia" because there is no way to encode the meta data "Made in Zajas, Macedonia".  Losing meta data specificity is a security concern.  The moral of the story is that you have to climb before you can dig.

I would like a little (*cough* a lot of) help with the best way to publish the triple store (about 8800+ members).

The US is a tough case.  To translate the codes down to the country/state/county/city level (eg FIPS 5-2, FIPS 6-4, etc.) is about ~25k triples.  The US Census makes data available for 2000, with a new census being conducted this year.  I'll work on it :o)


--- On Sun, 9/26/10, Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
> Subject: G2G, B2C
> To: public-egov-ig@w3.org
> Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 1:29 PM
> This document was mentioned to me on
> the LOD Conference Call That Never Was on Friday [1].  In
> reference to "2. Definitions" and "Seamless Integration of
> Data", one of the challenges for Government Data-sets is
> that the multi-tier location hierarchies can leave the user
> swamped in irreconcilable tree fragments.
> A SKOS approach, turning the search keys into URL's, works
> well.  This "Big Picture" is all Public Domain but AFAIK,
> the UN, ISO, WIPO, EU, W3C etc. have not gotten 'round to
> constructing the Triple Store.  The US CIA does a very nice
> job with this in the World Factbook [2].  Obviously they
> are not in the web standards business, but have a strong
> motivation to accuracy. DBpedia encodes all countries and
> subdivisions at the same level and is unsuitable for code
> translation.
> This interpretation of the DBpedia nodes does allow a
> search, with an automatic code translation [3]: 
> Top Level Domains are encoded like this:
> skos:TopConcept            // Top Level Domain
> (TLD)               
> dbp:Government             //  GovernmentOf
> [Entity]
> dcam:memberOf              // Top Level Code/Type
> dct:title(en)              // title
> dct:alternative(en)        // ISO Official Name
> (English)
> dct:alternative(fr)        // ISO Official Name
> (French)
> dbp:Seat_of_Government     // Capital
> geo:lat                    // Latitude (Capital)
> geo:lon                    // Longitude
> (Capital)
> dbp:UTC                    // Time Zone
> (Capital)
> dct:created                // date (entered)
> Subdivisions are encoded exactly the same way ... except:
> 1. Subdivisions are skos:Concept
> 2. Below the TLD level the top level Government Entity
> controls "Official Names" including title.  ISO Official
> names may or may not exist.
> 3. The "Capital" should be any major city, or central point
> with a name.
> 4. The dcam:memberOf should be a CURIE. This allows
> entities to be demoted from skos:TopConcept to skos:Concept
> although they may have been assigned ISO 3166-1 codes. 
> Jersey and Guernsey will accept the demotion with grace, one
> hopes.
> 5. Commercial Entities are required to be subdivisions of a
> TLD.  Unlike the ISO 3166-1 system, there is an explicit
> extra-territorial (High Seas) code.  Organizations and
> Communities have a choice, they can be bound to a Government
> or be bound to the High Seas.  Commercial Entities also
> have this "choice", but it is doubtful that an explicit
> acknowledgement of pirate status would be too good for
> business.
> Set up like this, a join (search) of dcam:memberOf gives a
> list of related Top Concepts.  A standard method of
> locating Data Sets would have a number of benefits, but the
> two big ones are:
> 1.  Existing coding systems can continue.  The "retrofit"
> of Civil Subdivisions is no more trouble than using the
> place names to begin with.
> 2.  The Privacy Issue.  The use of codes has a "hidden"
> privacy benefit. When citizens need Government services,
> certainly there is a business need for an exact location or
> residence address.  However when Government needs Citizens'
> "services", e.g. a vote, a citizen need only be located by
> voting precinct - a much bigger area. The point is that
> consumers as a class can tolerate a very high uncertainty in
> location of the provider class.  The reverse is not true -
> the provider class requires low uncertainty.  PSI changes
> sign, so to speak, so that a "provider" of statistics
> (Government) has the motivation of a "consumer" of raw data.
> The Private Sector equivalent is the publishing of financial
> data, and this is done with the high location uncertainty
> characteristic of a consumer role.  When reporting
> statistics, regional granularity may be uncomfortably broad,
> but nonetheless it exists.
> --Gannon
> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/NOTE-egov-improving-20090512/
> [2] https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/
> [3] http://www.rustprivacy.org/sun/spookville/

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