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RE: Public meeting agendas, minutes and XML

From: Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:46:42 -0400
To: "'Innovimax W3C'" <innovimax+w3c@gmail.com>, <daniel@citizencontact.com>
Cc: "'Steven Clift'" <clift@e-democracy.org>, "'eGovIG IG'" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>, <johnpaul.deley@eia.doe.gov>, "'Schwartz, Adam J.'" <aschwartz@gpo.gov>, "'Betsy Fanning'" <bfanning@aiim.org>, "'Jane Harnad'" <jane.harnad@oasis-open.org>, "'Arthur Colman'" <colman@drybridge.com>, "'Sylvia Webb'" <sylvia.webb@vision4standards.com>, "'Metagovernment Startup Committee'" <start@metagovernment.org>
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+1 to Mohamed

Hopefully, those who support each approach will help Steven take full advantage of its potential.

To the degree that a strategic plan (set of goals and objectives) may emerge from this dialog, I will be happy to render it in StratML format, hopefully, with lead stakeholders of the performer type assigned to each objective.

I volunteer to take the lead in seeing that an XSD is specified for the elements deemed to be essential by the group.


-----Original Message-----
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To: daniel@citizencontact.com
Cc: Owen Ambur; Steven Clift; eGovIG IG; johnpaul.deley@eia.doe.gov; Schwartz, Adam J.; Betsy Fanning; Jane Harnad; Arthur Colman; Sylvia Webb; Metagovernment Startup Committee
Subject: Re: Public meeting agendas, minutes and XML


I agree with both approach
I think we can store the information in a adhoc XML Format and put a
Transformation Stylesheet to generate it with whatever we decide (RDFa
and/or Microformat) and whatever the browser can understand

My two cents


On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:17 PM,  <daniel@citizencontact.com> wrote:
> I think that any meeting information should be in XHTML since that is the human readable form that people actually read and will use. It is easy then to make the same web page be machine processable. There are already widely accepted standards for much of the event, GIS, textual, video and other components of a meeting.
> For example, the web page can include RDFa and/or Microformats for all of the information as well as link to iCal/vcard and other non-human readable formats for backwards compatibility.  The page URL for that web page can also be used as a metadata nugget for tagging/citing things that happen at the event. And you can use id attributes to allow parts of the meeting to be found (e.g. http://example.gov/20100217/meeting.htm#agenda-1 )/or even to have multiple events in the same page. And then those portions of the meeting can be separately tagged/cited (note that pure XML non-HTML document is harder to cite from within an HTML doc-see XLINK).
> If for some reason it feels necessary to create new standards in XML for this data, I would recommend ALWAYS using a standard XSLT into XHTML and then including all the Microformat and/or RDFa standards in the resultant/generated XHTML. The XHTML would could exactly as described as above. This way there would not need to be the segregation of data from humans.
> Also some interesting work has been done on creating transcripts of videotaped meetings in a crowd sourced manner and for public posting of meetings by metavid and openmeetings.
> Daniel Bennett
> eCitizen Foundation
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Owen Ambur" <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 8:55pm
> To: "'Steven Clift'" <clift@e-democracy.org>, "'eGovIG IG'" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
> Cc: JohnPaul.Deley@eia.doe.gov, "'Schwartz, Adam J.'" <aschwartz@gpo.gov>, "'Betsy Fanning'" <bfanning@aiim.org>, "'Jane Harnad'" <jane.harnad@oasis-open.org>, "Arthur Colman" <colman@drybridge.com>, "Sylvia Webb" <sylvia.webb@vision4standards.com>, "'Metagovernment Startup Committee'" <start@metagovernment.org>
> Subject: RE: Public meeting agendas, minutes and XML
> Steven, I don't know how much time I might be able to devote to it, but
> since I have long believed there should be a standard XML schema (XSD) for
> posting meeting notices on the Web, I'd have a hard time not participating
> in any reasonable effort to specify such a standard.
> While the initial iteration of the standard should be as simple and easy to
> implement as possible, it would be good to consider enabling referencing of
> the <Identifiers> for goals and objectives documented on the Web in
> conformance with AIIM's emerging Strategy Markup Language (StratML)
> standard.  See http://xml.gov/stratml/index.htm &
> http://xml.gov/stratml/draft/StratMLGlossary.xml#Identifier
> Since meetings are (or at least should be) conducted to support
> accomplishment of explicitly identified goals and objectives, it would be
> good if meeting notices and agendas could reference those goals and
> objectives -- which should themselves be documented in standard, readily
> referenceable XML format on the Web (e.g., StratML).
> Needless to say, that is an objective to which I will be more than happy to
> contribute to the best of my ability.
> BTW, as you may recall, E-Democracy.org's plan is in the StratML collection
> at http://xml.gov/stratml/drybridge/index.htm#Other or, more specifically,
> http://xml.gov/stratml/drybridge/eDo.xml
> Owen Ambur
> Co-Chair Emeritus, xmlCoP
> Co-Chair, AIIM StratML Committee
> Member, AIIM iECM Committee
> Invited Expert, W3C eGov IG
> Communications/Membership Director, FIRM Board
> Former Project Manager, ET.gov
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-egov-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-egov-ig-request@w3.org]
> On Behalf Of Steven Clift
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:38 PM
> To: eGovIG IG
> Subject: Public meeting agendas, minutes and XML
> I am putting final touches on an invited grant proposal that includes
> an effort to make public meeting agendas more accessible as well as
> encourage discussion of agenda items across the Web 2.0 world in a
> more structured and visible way. Folks should be able to plunk in
> their address and be told in one place (actually lots of places from
> local media sites to government sites) what meetings are coming up
> across ALL the local government organizations that serve them (with
> state and Federal options too) and be able to set-up personalized
> notification options.
> Initially, we'd start with an open specification/convening process
> where we'd involve a number of stakeholders and I would like to
> appropriately suggest we will consult with this network on standards
> to apply or consider.
> Any reason I shouldn't do that?
> Then, based on the specification we'd attempt to prototype it with
> some serious meeting notice/calendar, agenda, minutes, and links to
> meeting document scraping across Minneapolis and perhaps St. Paul.
> Ideally, a standard would emerge for governments to simply put out
> this data in real-time in XML so scraping is only an interim need ...
> although with 30,000 local governments in the U.S. and lots of crowd
> sourcing, the scraping will be the only way to get many small
> governments into the service for many years.
> The modest proposal we are developing is a sub-set of the broader
> discussion Participation 3.0 draft we have from here:
> http://e-democracy.org/P3
> If you like this idea and would like to volunteer your expertise or
> technology talent, let me know!  It will make it far more likely the
> idea will get off the ground sooner than later and not be another
> isolated service coming from out of the blue. E-mail me at:
> clift@e-democracy.org
> I'll let the group know if we succeed with our proposal.
> Steven Clift - http://stevenclift.com
> Executive Director - http://E-Democracy.Org
> Donate today: http://e-democracy.org/donate

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