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Re: no F2F3 in 2009 -- Re: Agenda, eGov IG Call, 11 Nov 2009

From: Niklas Lindström <lindstream@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:22:39 +0100
Message-ID: <cf8107640911120822u1697d896t6f704442f3987dfb@mail.gmail.com>
To: "prof. dr. Tom M. van Engers" <vanengers@uva.nl>
Cc: "peter.krantz@gmail.com" <peter.krantz@gmail.com>, david osimo <david.osimo@gmail.com>, Jose Manuel Alonso <josema.alonso@fundacionctic.org>, eGovIG IG <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
Hi,

how about Open == Readable?

Not necessarily writable of course, nor republishable. But if data is
inaccessible until someone buys it (or "rents" it), can it sensibly be
called open?

The situation (at least in Sweden) is that lots of government/agency
data is totally unavailable until paid for. That is, if it at all
exists in some digital form. (And for that matter, is processable;
i.e. exists in an open format for which there are patent-free parser
implementations...)

Best regards,
Niklas Lindström


On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:57 PM, prof. dr. Tom M. van Engers
<vanengers@uva.nl> wrote:
> Open <> Free
>
> Prof.dr. Tom M. van Engers
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> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Peter Krantz <peter.krantz@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:29:01 +0100
> To: david osimo <david.osimo@gmail.com>
> CC: Jose Manuel Alonso <josema.alonso@fundacionctic.org>, eGovIG IG <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
> Received:  Thu,  12 Nov 2009 03:29:01 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Re: no F2F3 in 2009 -- Re: Agenda, eGov IG Call, 11 Nov 2009
>
> Hi!
>
> Open data is gaining a lot of interest in the EU right now. People are
> discovering that e-government services may have to be cerated by
> citizens as well and that a key enabler for this is access to open
> data (the other two being a laptop and programming knowledge).
>
> The current PSI directive (that member states should implement i
> national legislation) is rather vague and I hope to see a clerar
> definition of "open" data in a forthcoming version. Many agencies in
> Sweden provide data, but at a cost. You would have to pay USD 20K to
> get a basic digital map. This is why you don't see a FixMyStreet
> service here.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Krantz
> http://www.opengov.se/
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:37, david osimo <david.osimo@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jose, all
>> I will be in Malmo and happy to debrief. It looks like open data will be a
>> key focus, not only in our Open Declaration but also in the official
>> statements.
>> The recent Visby conference on EU ICT policy gave good priority to open
>> data. Hans Rosling of Gapminder was keynote speaker.
>> http://www.se2009.eu/en/meetings_news/2009/11/9/visby_agenda_creating_impact_for_an_eunion_2015
>> The conclusions of the presidency (the most important document) state that
>> 10. EU member states and community institutions should seek to make data
>> freely accessible in open machine-readable formats, for the benefit of
>> entrepreneurship, research and transparency.
>> 11. Access to and reuse of public sector information and data should be
>> improved among EU Member States. The domains of data targeted by the
>> Directive on the re-use of public sector information should be enlarged.
>> Document attached
>> Best
>> david
>>
>>> This is our e-government EU strategy, let's make it better! Please endorse
>>> the open EU declaration on public services
>>> 2.0 www.endorsetheopendeclaration.eu
>> david.osimo@gmail.com
>> skype, twitter: osimod
>> http://egov20.wordpress.com
>> mobile: +32-498088323
>> On 11 Nov 2009, at 13:10, Jose Manuel Alonso wrote:
>>
>> Additionally, I should have mentioned that the plans to hold an event in
>> Brussels in Nov/Dec as the group's F2F3 have not been successful due to
>> workload on our end and on the European Commission's. Our ideas were
>> welcomed and we expect to retake conversation soon, likely after the EU
>> Ministerial in Malmö <http://www.egov2009.se/> next week. I expect to give a
>> more detailed update on the next call.
>>
>> -- Jose
>>
>> ps: among other things, I also had to cancel my trip to Malmö. If any of you
>> are able to attend, I hope you could debrief us on an upcoming group call..
>>
>>
>>
>> El 10/11/2009, a las 9:34, Sheridan, John escribió:
>>
>> Agenda, eGov IG Call, 11 Nov 2009
>>
>> 13:00Z (9:00EST, 14:00GMT, 15:00CET)
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Chair: John
>>
>> 1. Scribe
>>
>> 2. Agenda adjustments and next meetings [2mins]
>>
>> + next meeting [25 Nov 2009]
>>
>> + next scribe
>>
>> 3. Open Actions [10min]
>>
>> 4. What's going on / coming up [30mins]
>>
>> + TPAC 2009
>>
>> + ISWC
>>
>> + Open Knowledge Foundation event [13 Nov 2009, London]
>>
>> + Jurix Conference
>>
>> 5. Discussion: Government Linked Data, Techniques and Technologies [45mins]
>>
>> + how does linked data support (non-RDF) data consumers?
>>
>> + strategies for modelling government data
>>
>> + essential metadata for Government Linked Open Data (eg VoiD)
>>
>> + expressing rights and licensing information
>>
>> + approaches to provenance, authority and trust
>>
>> + using RDF for Statistical Data
>>
>>
>> Who can participate:
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/participation
>>
>> How to participate:
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Teleconferences
>>
>> Notes,
>>
>> On the last group call five areas were discussed, as being the main work
>> areas for the group over this year:
>>
>> - Government Linked Data, Techniques and Technologies
>>
>> - Government Linked Data, Strategies and Success Stories
>>
>> - Best Practices for using Web Technologies to Deliver Government Services
>>
>> - Best Practices for Long-Term Government Data Management Issues
>>
>> - Best Practices in Government Use of Social Media
>>
>> We agreed we would pick up on one each of these over the next set of group
>> calls. This call will be addressing the first of these topics, “Techniques
>> and Technologies for Government Linked Data”.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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