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[minutes] eGov IG call, 18 Feb 2009

From: Jose M. Alonso <josema@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:27:53 +0100
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and as text below. They'll be final, as usual, first in my (CET)  
Friday morning, so comments by then, please.

-- Jose


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                                - DRAFT -

                eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference

18 Feb 2009

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-egov-irc


           john, josema, daniel, rachel, kevin, owen, chris, joe

           kjetil, robin, aldo


           kevin, josema


      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]Appoint a scribe, agenda adjustments
          2. [5]Editor's draft
          3. [6]Use Cases, graduation process, which ones?
          4. [7]F2F @ AIA (12-13 March 2009)
          5. [8]Where and how to position the Group?
      * [9]Summary of Action Items

Appoint a scribe, agenda adjustments

    john: any volunteers?

    daniel:: one more week and I'll do it

    <josema> scribe: kevin

    Kevin to take on scribing for today

    john: agenda adjustment call

    [none heard]

Editor's draft

    <josema> [10]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note

      [10] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note

    jose: takes on agenda item 2
    ... uploaded open government data section
    ... oscar working on small start version for interoperability
    ... kevin has front end sections almost finished
    ... all due next Wednesday so Jose has time to review and place in
    w3 formats for publication rules
    ... plain language target to ensure govts and others understand what
    is being communication, references also important
    ... participation section: pointers to reuse including references
    ... interesting to review and reuse for that section for the writers

    <josema> [11]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/26

      [11] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/26

    jose: not all sections done for first draft: including multichannel
    ... my expertise only on deliver of content on mobile devices
    ... publish first draft first week of march in preparation for face
    to face meeting
    ... send whatever you have
    ... interesting to review and reuse for that section for the writers
    ... in terms of tone, references, etc.

    jose: getting content finished sooner than later to give Jose time
    over the weekend next week to review and compile

    daniel: will send draft

    jose: forgot to say one thing: Kevin will take on final read prior
    to publication
    ... will have one or two days before publication date for review and

    jose: agree and commited to do so

    [kevin talks about other factors that require documentation outside
    of technical specifications]

    [kevin has used John's content for introductory piece and can build
    bridges and synergies with the content types]

    john: need to get as much stuff as we can.

    [Chris is writing persistent URL piece with Anne]

    <josema> deadline: 25 Feb!!

    jose: I have to go through a reviewing and publication process that
    has some complexity

    john: editor's draft agenda item complete

Use Cases, graduation process, which ones?

    john:how we graduate use cases, what are our conclusions on what
    process is going to look like

    daniel: what does it mean to graduate

    jose: roughly, compiling use cases to develop group notes, draft
    ideas and discuss use cases,
    ... topics in use cases, through mailing list, some use cases
    getting interesting
    ... may want to reference use cases from our doc and make references
    in other documents
    ... some documents are normative and should be persistent all times
    ... hence move beyond wiki to ensure it is permanently available
    ... put somewhere else in a more stable location
    ... dont need anything special from a functionality perspective


      [12] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/UseCases/doc/how-does-it-work

    jose: process I have been working on now posted to IRC
    ... asks some rdfa for pages
    ... builds index, etc, etc,
    ... how does RDFa or semantic technology, not complex to use
    ... group should review cases more before they are moved to
    graduated status
    ... I blieve we (as other Groups before) have two different types of
    ... describing specific projects and others about more generic
    problem that needs to be solved
    ... some cases are already integrated in some other given sense
    ... built on use case and should we graduate: Open government?
    ... should not be complex process...

    joe: what is the ulimate goal of group? egov activities?

    john: mediates role to address practical problems using W3C
    ... including public policy item, ie services for children, renew
    ... how is public money being spent
    ... increasingly using the web
    ... two different worlds: technology and public policy items
    ... intermediary between both
    ... need to have coherent thoughts addressing public policy
    objectives with the outputs of the group related to techncl
    ... how they are specifically using W3C specifications

    kevin: govt audience and technology audience
    ... better understand problems, issues, and challenges

    joe: goes along with work he is trying to do
    ... use case should use government data
    ... retool and s...how demonstration of approach

    kevin: we need to show people how practical an standard can be
    ... difficult for a policy person how to relate this to his needs

    daniel: a big piece of W3C visibility within gov is Accessibility
    ... is a major set of standards that can be brought out to govts and

    kevin: I believe on Accessibility and I promote it much
    ... but the way W3C work is very good for technical people
    ... but difficult to trumpet that within an organization to other

    chris: agree

    daniel: make sure this is captured in stratml doc of the Group

    john: we have a criteria for use cases to back up that conversation
    ... which is we want use cases to capture real world experience and
    not abstract
    ... what does it mean" those use cases that talk about practical
    items and have author address

    kevin: group to go through use cases, aggregate knowledge in there
    before graduating

    daniel: how do we capture interest/readership in the use cases?

    joe: stratml good case of applicability

    daniel: how should group members have responsiblity

    john: presumably one of the things we need is to get use cases
    graduate prior to face to face
    ... and paper publication so that they can be cited and referenced
    in the paper
    ... we will always want to be collecting and discussing use cases

    <josema> +1 to ongoing collection

    john: a lot we don't know about out there,
    ... answer to question: give same period of time to look at use
    ... to look through and add practical examples etc before graduating
    ... add what we have to add

    daniel:will we have time at the F2F to go through each of the use

    kevin:yes, we should build that into the agenda

    john: we haven't really finished defining criteria for graduating
    use cases

    daniel: opportunity of face to face should be to define

    joe: agree



    jose: question is that, but I already know the answer: do you expect
    use cases to be linked to first public working draft

    kevin: goal to finalize use cases at face to face to ready for

    john: done with graduating use cases
    ... move on to face to face

F2F @ AIA (12-13 March 2009)

    john: signing up and level of interest

    jose: we have last I looked 24 people registered, six people via
    ... less than capacity

    daniel:I will add in Julie Germany of IPDI/GWU

    kevin: can hold up to 60, more if needed
    ... Chairs talked to Karen, Ian (W3C) considering a PR next week
    ... I'll meet with Sunlight later today
    ... looking forward to other opps

    daniel: are we looking more for folks outside or inside gov?

    kevin: both, maybe more from inside as it's developing so far
    ... in my previous position I got to know their work
    ... very active and useful

    chris:what is the current representation?

    daniel: looks like about half
    ...would go after those responsible for web content and formats.

    kevin: also jose reminded me of Web Managers Roundtable I'm hosting
    the day before the meeting
    ... lady in charge will help me outreach
    ... considering Bev Godwin, also @@

    daniel: I will check into congress

    joe: I personally emailed the CTO of GPO, so he knows about it

    chris: I meet this week with CIOC and will tell them, too

    john: how to structure the meeting, in terms of what we need to
    ... we had some discussion at the Chairs call last week and by email
    ... what are people's views to have high energy level
    ... want interaction, barcamp style?

    <chris> Have to leave the call. Thanks all.

    kevin: participation last time when W3C organized the workshop was
    ... it was a productive dialogue
    ... need to be really careful to set expectations in the right way
    ... have good conversation

    [rachel leaves the call]

    [how to make governments release more data, and why, and how]

    [balance between people that need to release the data and the ones
    that will consume them]

    joe: put the data out there is fine, but how and in what format?
    ... if the Group could answer this question, it would be helpful for
    ... on accessibility: creating tables to relate info to other
    ... took data and put things on the web
    ... paper solution was paper solution that now needs to evolve to
    new interoperability standard

    <Zakim> josema, you wanted to talk about two faces of transparency
    and to talk about W3C tech stack vs. government needs

    [jose on two faces of transparency and W3C stack vs. government

    [owen back on call]

    john: pull back to how we cope with issues
    ... half and idea, and how do we actually try to get these issues
    into the face to face
    ... split one day for provocation and one about reflection

    kevin: helps to define year two of group work
    ... response and solution approach
    ... provocation and reflection for structure

    [we all like that concept]

    john: throw out challenges etc in first day
    ... provoke and discuss issues and turn them into solutions, what do
    we need to do, do we agree?
    ... what do we need to do to solve the problem issue, etc
    ... promote exploration

    kevin: if we go through all the issues and challenges alone in one
    day, can have negative energy
    ... but if use half day for that, half for reflections, could be
    ... then come back next day to build on it
    ... turn the next day into the solutions and path forward leading to
    next year work plan
    ... and improving current work and direction

    john: be flexible,

    joe: not have owners be reflectors
    ... much more positive perspective

    owen: remember that the FEA reference models are being updated
    ... many W3C stds not there, one objective could be to incorporate
    ... just in brainstorming mode, now

    [what is the problem those models are trying to address, food for

    john and Kevin: use every tool in tool box that transends technical
    tools and solutions but also public policy

    Joe: talk about purpose
    ... accessibility

    <josema> ACTION: josema to send an email to Group to tell them about
    provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page [recorded in

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-45 - Send an email to Group to tell them
    about provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page [on Josť
    Manuel Alonso - due 2009-02-25].

Where and how to position the Group?

    [support from Comm/Karen]


Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: josema to send an email to Group to tell them about
    provocation/reflection and fill in the wiki page [recorded in

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