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Re: [minutes] eGov IG Chairs call, 11 Feb 2009

From: Jose M. Alonso <josema@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:25:26 +0100
Cc: <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
Message-Id: <2C0DA8CB-5CDA-4973-A6F0-590A78AD9B50@w3.org>
To: "Owen Ambur" <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
Owen,

Thanks for the message. In fact, more than success, I was thinking of  
something more important. How to position ourselves and where we can  
be of most value.

I've added an item to the agenda of the upcoming Group call that I've  
just sent, and I hope you and I could discuss more about it.

I believe there have been a number of very specific topics several of  
us discussed so far on and off list where this Group would be of great  
value. Some from the top of my head:
  * Common model for public services
  * Legislation on the Web
  * Government specific issues in social media use
  * Strategies on publication of OGD
  * Need of URL Schemas for long term archiving

The Group Note may serve as a compilation of what we discussed so far,  
and we may try to work on more specific areas such as the ones above  
for the next stage, that would start in June.

The issue, as usual, is to get enough commitment to do so...

Cheers,
Jose.



El 11/02/2009, a las 19:39, Owen Ambur escribió:
> On the point of why others seem to be more successful, ease of access,
> participation, and contribution are key factors.   However, those  
> factors
> alone do not define "success".  In my view, success is defined by  
> what *I*
> as well as others can *do* with the *outputs*.  (More pointless,
> ill-focused, poorly coordinated *participation* is the last thing  
> most of us
> need.)  By that measure, few outputs have been more successful that  
> HTTP,
> IP, HTML and XML -- because they have enabled others to do so much.
>
> W3cegov should build upon that success by focusing on what we  
> ourselves,
> individually and collectively, (not anyone else) can do to enable  
> others to
> do what they want to do more efficiently and effectively.  (That is  
> exactly
> what AIIM aims to do via the StratML standard, and Part 2 of the  
> standard
> will address the elements of performance plans and reports -- to  
> enable
> stakeholders to track progress on goals and objectives of interest  
> to them.)
>
> Owen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-egov-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-egov-ig-request@w3.org 
> ]
> On Behalf Of Jose M. Alonso
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:16 PM
> To: eGov IG
> Cc: John Sheridan; Kevin Novak; Karen Myers
> Subject: [minutes] eGov IG Chairs call, 11 Feb 2009
>
>
> Online at:
>   http://www.w3.org/2009/02/11-egov-minutes
>
> and as text below.
>
> -- Jose
>
> ----------------------
>    [1]W3C
>
>       [1] http://www.w3.org/
>
>                                - DRAFT -
>
>                eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
>
> 11 Feb 2009
>
>    See also: [2]IRC log
>
>       [2] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/11-egov-irc
>
> Attendees
>
>    Present
>           john, josema, oscar, kevin, Karen
>
>    Regrets
>           chris
>
>    Chair
>           john, kevin
>
>    Scribe
>           josema
>
> Contents
>
>      * [3]Topics
>      _________________________________________________________
>
>    ->[4]http://www.epractice.eu/workshop/40 Public Services 2.0
>    workshop
>
>       [4] http://www.epractice.eu/workshop/40
>
>    [jose ranting for a while about "new" vs. "old" terms]
>
>    [some talk on social media use]
>
>    jose: is it possible to syndicate content to those sites?
>
>    kevin: yes, I believe there are RSS-like ways to do this
>
>    jose: why we do not succeed as others? e.g. barcamps and the like
>    that use same topics but get much more interest
>
>    kevin: you made a good point in saying that people may be scared of
>    W3C
>    ... seen as too technical
>
>    jose: sometimes I see W3C is perceived as closed
>
>    kevin: barcamps and the like usually have sponsors
>    ... same as web managers roundtables, cost is very cheap
>    ... but they have sponsors, too
>
>    [jose on how W3C usually works]
>
>    [on "industry standardization"]
>
>    kevin: I agree, the organization may need big changes, but this is
>    bigger than us
>
>    john: I agree with you both very much
>    ... we are in a space that is getting an extraordinary interest
>    ... and there are new technologies, new ways of interacting, new
>    terms! e.g. "goverati"
>    ... we need to find mechanisms to reduce the perception of being
>    scary
>    ... we need to find a way of working that makes sense to W3C while
>    also exploring
>    ... new ways of interaction
>    ... a W3C event has a different kind of energy than that of a
>    barcamp
>    ... sometimes people can be very detrimental when going too
>    technical about discussions ??
>
>    john: simple example, jose twitted about the uploading of latest  
> OGD
>    draft, I retwitted
>    ... I have 200 people from UK government following me
>    ... took me three seconds
>
>    jose: besides that, should we focus just on the first two topics
>    alone?
>
>    kevin: I think so, maybe a bit later in time
>    ... we need to get the draft out first
>
>    john: I'm a little bit concerned about saying that we should go
>    ahead just with those at this time
>
>    [scribe missed a couple Kevin's comments]
>
>    [Karen joins the call]
>
>    [jose summarizes for Karen]
>
>    kevin: along the same line we discussed in DC at lunch time
>
>    karen: we are working on setting up the type of people that should
>    attend the meeting
>    ... based on info provided by jose
>    ... need also people to talk to press, maybe blog and the like
>    ... are you already doing so?
>
>    kevin: time is limited but happy to do so, I'm more than willing
>
>    karen: how much time would be available before, during or after the
>    workshop?
>
>    kevin: we have the F2F on 12-13 March in DC
>    ... I also filled the Member survey
>    ... and proposed topic for the AC Meeting
>    ... need to raise the level of awareness within W3C
>    ... also jose's point important, we are different from other Groups
>    ... we need some media strategy on how to outreach
>
>    <ocr> :)
>
>    <john> AMEE link: [5]http://www.amee.com/
>
>       [5] http://www.amee.com/
>
>    [need to decide on the invited speaker]
>
>    <john> I'm going to have to dash off (sorry - but will check back  
> on
>    IRC)
>
>    karen: I'll bring this to Comm on next call and come back to you
>
>    john: we really see the DC event as an important opportunity on the
>    OGD and Transparency and Participation
>
>    [ADJOURNED]
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
>    [End of minutes]
>      _________________________________________________________
>
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