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RE: Plain Language use case [was RE: Suggestion for Introduction]

From: Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:44:03 -0400
To: "'pavan kumar'" <yangaldaspk@yahoo.com>
Cc: <public-egov-ig@w3.org>, "Laurens van den Oever" <laurens@xopus.com>
Message-id: <000201c9c287$3c3ca270$b4b5e750$@Ambur@verizon.net>
Good suggestion, Pavan.  Xopus has provided a prototype form for StratML
documents, which is available at http://xml.gov/stratml/index.htm#Forms or,
more specifically, http://xopus.com/Demo/stratml  


I'm copying Laurens in the event that Xopus may wish to provide similar
capability to collaboratively edit W3C Notes, like ours:


BTW, Adobe has also provided a PDF Fillable form that produces XML documents
conforming to the StratML schema, and MS Word 2007 can and has been used as
well.  Business Web Software also produced a StratML prototype form, using
their Achieve Forms software application.  Links are provided at


When I suggested that W3C Notes are somewhat "proprietary" in nature, I was
referring to the fact that editors are expected, if not required to use
Amaya -- http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ -- and in my case, the W3C's technical
support folks were unable to give me edit access to the draft.  In my view,
that violates the principle of separation of concern by tying the data too
closely to the software.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_concerns   From my perspective, a
good test of the openness of "data" is whether it can be edited using myriad
tools.  It also seems to me that the W3C's publication rules are a little
onerous and focus on issues other than making the W3C's data readily
accessible to and usable by stakeholders (like us).  Perhaps that is merely
a case of ignorance on my part.  However, highly effective organizations
have ways of accommodating ignorant as well as highly educated stakeholders.


Owen Ambur

Co-Chair Emeritus,  <http://xml.gov/index.asp> xmlCoP  

Co-Chair, AIIM  <http://xml.gov/stratml/index.htm> StratML Committee

Member, AIIM  <http://www.aiim.org/Standards/article.aspx?ID=29284> iECM

Invited Expert, W3C  <http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/> eGov IG

Communications/Membership Director,  <http://firmcouncil.org/id5.html> FIRM

Former Project Manager,  <http://et.gov/> ET.gov 

 <http://ambur.net/bio.htm> Brief Bio 




From: public-egov-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-egov-ig-request@w3.org]
On Behalf Of pavan kumar
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 1:38 AM
To: RachelFlagg
Cc: 'Sharron Rush'; 'public-egov-ig@w3.org'
Subject: Re: Plain Language use case [was RE: Suggestion for Introduction]


"(Owen A. or anyone, would love your help, if you can put the doc into
xml...I frankly don't have time right now, so just posted a word doc.)"


to the group leaders


may i suggest the website 'xopus.com' that does free conversion of plain
text to XML, well i could be wrong, but i guess the website can do this,
saves time.


pavan kumar


ps: most of the times i am so lost on the egov work being done by this
pioneering group. this is a kind of invaluable learning experience for me...
kindly let me know, if for any basic work, i can lend my time.

--- On Mon, 20/4/09, Flagg, Rachel <rachel.flagg@hud.gov> wrote:

From: Flagg, Rachel <rachel.flagg@hud.gov>
Subject: Plain Language use case [was RE: Suggestion for Introduction]
To: "'Sharron Rush'" <srush@knowbility.org>, "'public-egov-ig@w3.org'"
Date: Monday, 20 April, 2009, 9:53 PM

Thanks for the reminder.  I've had the plain language draft use case done
for several weeks... but have finally posted the draft to the wiki -
comments welcome.  (Owen A. or anyone, would love your help, if you can put
the doc into xml...I frankly don't have time right now, so just posted a
word doc.)

Also agree, Sharron, with your suggestion to start the Note off with a
brief, plain language intro.  The average person usually has a hard time
understanding "geek speak", so the more clear and simple we can explain what
we're trying to do, the better.  eGov is all about "the people", so I think
this needs to be written in language the general public can understand.


Rachel Flagg
Web Content Manager
   and Co-Chair, Federal Web Managers Council
Government Web Best Practices Team (on detail)
Office of Citizen Services 
U.S. General Services Administration

-----Original Message-----
From: public-egov-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-egov-ig-request@w3.org]
On Behalf Of Sharron Rush
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:58 AM
To: public-egov-ig@w3.org
Subject: Suggestion for Introduction

Hello editors,

In going through the wiki, I find a Pending Use Case around Plain 
Language.  That was the point I tried to make in my first message - I 
think we need to model that.  Rachel, can I support you in that work in 
any way?

But as a start, here is a suggestion for the Introduction.  I am a 
strong advocate for introductory text that simply lays the foundation 
and lets readers know what to expect.  I believe that we may want to 
include one short paragraph (an example is suggested below, but please 
feel free to reject or rewrite) and move all the other explanatory text 
into the Background section. 


The mission of the e-Government Interest group is to provide a forum and 
leadership around the issue of how to improve access to government 
through better use of the Web and to achieve better government 
transparency using open Web standards.  We have pursued the mission in 
year 1 by setting these goals for the group:

1.      Explore the benefits and challenges for both citizens and their 
governments of establishing effective, transparent and inclusive two-way 
electronic communication and participatory systems of governing.  

2.      Define the critical links that are needed between standards 
bodies and government entities to help citizens and governments meet the 
challenges and realize the benefits.  

3.      Develop a flexible list of concerns and deliverables to help 
build cooperative relationships that lead to productive next steps.

To meet these goals, the group worked within three Task Forces: Usage of 
Web Standards, Transparency and Participation, and Seamless Integration 
of Data.  The following document describes our findings.

...so, what do you think?  If there is another avenue that you would 
rather I use for suggestions of this kind, please let me know.  And 
thanks for considering!




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