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RE: Agenda, October 8 - !re-charter!

From: Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:03:18 +0200
To: "'Cox, Simon \(L&W, Clayton\)'" <Simon.Cox@csiro.au>, "'Andrea Perego'" <andrea.perego@ec.europa.eu>
Cc: <alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com>, <pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com>, <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>, <public-dxwg-wg@w3.org>, <team-dxwg-chairs@w3.org>
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The reference is to the Wilkinson article using the DOI:
https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat-2/#bib-fair. The principles should indeed
be called the "FAIR principles".

 

 

 

From: Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton) <Simon.Cox@csiro.au> 
Sent: 14 October 2019 15:30
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Subject: Re: Agenda, October 8 - !re-charter!

 

The key thing is that there were other parties involved in formulating FAIR,
and they are (quite reasonably) a bit miffed to see it referred to in a
narrative as "Force 11 FAIR principles". Just drop "Force 11" in the text
and noone will be put out. And the citation should be to the Wilkinson et
Al. Article, using its doi, rather than through some intermediate branded
sites. 

 

Simon

 

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I think that is the correct reference. Everything after that is commentary. 

 

Op ma 14 okt. 2019 09:51 schreef <andrea.perego@ec.europa.eu
<mailto:andrea.perego@ec.europa.eu> >:

Just to note that, in the DCAT spec, we refer to the Nature article
mentioned by Alejandra when talking about FAIR:

https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat-2/#bib-fair

Andrea

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From: Alejandra Gonzalez-Beltran <alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com
<mailto:alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com> >
Sent: 13 October 2019 19:49:13
To: pedro winstley
Cc: Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton); kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
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Subject: Re: Agenda, October 8 - !re-charter!

Hi All,

I think Simon may have meant the "Joint Declaration of Data Citation
Principles"
(https://www.force11.org/datacitationprinciples<https://urldefense.com/v3/__
https://www.force11.org/datacitationprinciples__;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQ
x59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1VR0Dd_69Gw$
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.force11.org/datacitationprinciples__
;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1V
R0Dd_69Gw$> >) that appears in the Force11 website but it has been endorsed
by many organisations, including CODATA
(https://www.force11.org/datacitation/endorsements<https://urldefense.com/v3
/__https://www.force11.org/datacitation/endorsements__;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0Q
ZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1VR0SMQO7c0$
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.force11.org/datacitation/endorsement
s__;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQ
c1VR0SMQO7c0$> >).

For the FAIR principles, I think it is OK to refer to the Force11 website or
for a more formal citation, the associated publication
(https://doi.org/10.1038/sdata.2016.18<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://d
oi.org/10.1038/sdata.2016.18__;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2
vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1VR03NLafrg$
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/doi.org/10.1038/sdata.2016.18__;!NW73rmy
V52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1VR03NLafrg
$> >).

Alejandra

On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 at 18:37, pedro winstley <pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com
<mailto:pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com> <mailto:pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com
<mailto:pedro.win.stan@googlemail.com> >> wrote:
Simon
Would
https://www.go-fair.org/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.go-fair.org
/__;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQ
c1VR0tx9Vc64$
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.go-fair.org/__;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0Q
ZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1VR0tx9Vc64$> > be a
better reference than the Force11 site?
P

On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 07:50, Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton) <Simon.Cox@csiro.au
<mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au> > wrote:
One small detail on the proposed charter:

In section 2.1 the charter refers to 'FORCE 11's FAIR Principles'
While the publication of the FAIR Principles on FORCE 11's website is a
commonly used reference, Force 11 was only one of the organizations involved
in the development and promulgation of FAIR. FORCE 11 does not own FAIR, so
it is misleading to imply it by denoting it in this way, and disrespectful
to the other organizations that were involved (e.g. CODATA). Better to say
'The research data community's FAIR Principles' or just 'The FAIR
Principles'.

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Subject: Agenda, October 8 - !re-charter!

All, the agenda for October 8 is here:

https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.10.08<https://urldefe
nse.com/v3/__https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.10.08__;
!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1VR
0qmd4LOo$
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telec
on2019.10.08__;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr
-azCaRn4aOQc1VR0qmd4LOo$> >

Other than updates on DCAT and Conneg progress, we have the question of
re-chartering the group. There is a draft of the new charter here:

https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.10.08<https://urldefe
nse.com/v3/__https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.10.08__;
!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr-azCaRn4aOQc1VR
0qmd4LOo$
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telec
on2019.10.08__;!NW73rmyV52c!WsGePw0QZDKrgQx59T-wKy3sTiOOLKC2vRX1W3y8Ef4Z-4jr
-azCaRn4aOQc1VR0qmd4LOo$> >

It is VERY close to the original charter, as we were advised by Philippe
that would be the easiest route. We will definitely get and apply any edits
that he suggests, and we'll let you know what those are.

The chairs.
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