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Re: DCAT Sprint - Tuesday 5th February 21:00 UTC - feature: dcat:distibution.

From: Alejandra Gonzalez-Beltran <alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 13:01:52 +0000
Message-ID: <CAORzFBnSNifsE1y72E9X5fU4Prdx6LaqLR657-fbn153PQBr5A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com>
Cc: Peter.Winstanley@gov.scot, david.browning@refinitiv.com, public-dxwg-wg@w3.org
Indeed the objective is to reach consensus on how to resolve the issues!

I created a project with the subset of issues around distribution packaging
and files composition that you suggested:

https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/projects/6

On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 11:22, Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com> wrote:

> Alejandra,
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> I had understood that the two-hour sprint was to actually discuss and
> agree solutions to issues, not to plan work to be done after the meeting.
> Of course the discussion may lead to agreement that ‘more work needs to be
> done’ after the meeting, but I would hope that we can reach consensus on
> resolutions. If we can’t, I don’t really see the point of sprinting.
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> Makx.
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> *From:* Alejandra Gonzalez-Beltran <alejandra.gonzalez.beltran@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 31 January 2019 12:09
> *To:* Peter.Winstanley@gov.scot
> *Cc:* mail@makxdekkers.com; david.browning@refinitiv.com;
> public-dxwg-wg@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: DCAT Sprint - Tuesday 5th February 21:00 UTC - feature:
> dcat:distibution.
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> We decided that the first topic is Distributions, and indeed, the
> intention is not to resolve all the issues in two hours but to have an
> overall view of what are the requirements for Distributions and decide on
> the meeting what we should tackle first and how to distribute the load
> among us if possible.
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> As Peter suggests, we can also discuss what to prioritise in advance to
> the meeting.
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> Thanks,
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> Alejandra
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> On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 10:51, <Peter.Winstanley@gov.scot> wrote:
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> Agreed.
> What issues from the list Dave provided do you think should be in the
> first meeting?  I think it makes sense to pick ones where we are most
> likely to succeed in making progress.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com>
> Sent: 31 January 2019 10:48
> To: Winstanley FP (Peter) <Peter.Winstanley@gov.scot>;
> david.browning@refinitiv.com; public-dxwg-wg@w3.org
> Subject: RE: DCAT Sprint - Tuesday 5th February 21:00 UTC - feature:
> dcat:distibution.
>
> Hi Peter,
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> I am happy to follow your lead on this. It's just that I think we can't
> possibly solve 15 issues in two hours, so pre-selecting issues based on a
> combination of importance (high) and complexity (not too high) would indeed
> make sense.
>
> Makx.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter.Winstanley@gov.scot <Peter.Winstanley@gov.scot>
> Sent: 31 January 2019 11:24
> To: mail@makxdekkers.com; david.browning@refinitiv.com;
> public-dxwg-wg@w3.org
> Subject: RE: DCAT Sprint - Tuesday 5th February 21:00 UTC - feature:
> dcat:distibution.
>
> Hi Makx
> We are being a bit loose with the terminology here, but the gist is that
> we need to have something equivalent to the face to face where we do
> collaborative work on some items, but we don't have time for the face to
> face so are doing the virtualised next best thing.
>
> If we have a longer meeting, use some collaborative workspace that allows
> us all to contribute in parallel (e.g. Google doc) then we should be able
> to make more progress in a short time (like a Kaizen Blitz if you want
> another model)
>
> You're right that there needs to be some triage and focus, and the initial
> list that Dave has provided is just the long list, from which we can decide
> on a short list of things to deal with in any one meeting.
>
> I foresee that if the first one is productive that we will have a few
> others.
>
> Hope this clarifies
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com>
> Sent: 31 January 2019 10:19
> To: david.browning@refinitiv.com; public-dxwg-wg@w3.org
> Subject: RE: DCAT Sprint - Tuesday 5th February 21:00 UTC - feature:
> dcat:distibution.
>
> David, all,
>
> Can you please outline how this 'sprint' works? I have never been involved
> in sprints so I looked for a definition and found one at
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(software_development)#Sprint. That
> says it is usually for teams of three to nine people (so that works for us)
> but also that a sprint commonly takes two weeks. Your message seems to
> imply that the two-hour call *is* the sprint.
>
> Other than that, I am not quite sure how we are going to handle 15 open
> issues in a two-hour call -- it means we'll have an average of eight
> minutes per issue which sounds unrealistic. It may be true that some (e.g.
> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/125) will take less time but there are
> others that have seen a lot of discussion already and may take more that
> two hours each.
>
> Should we maybe select two or three issues that are the most important and
> that can be decided in less than an hour?
>
> Makx.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: david.browning@refinitiv.com <david.browning@refinitiv.com>
> Sent: 31 January 2019 10:20
> To: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org
> Subject: DCAT Sprint - Tuesday 5th February 21:00 UTC - feature:
> dcat:distibution.
>
> As discussed via doodle poll/DCAT subgroup meeting, the first DCAT sprint
> will take place next Tuesday 5th February 2100 UTC till 23:00 UTC.  This
> will be a working meeting looking at the outstanding issues (and any
> associated concerns raised in external or internal feedback) and will aim
> to pull together appropriate conclusions and text to be contributed to the
> working draft.  The current idea will be to work around a google doc that
> should allow effective collaboration from all participants, though other
> ideas are welcome.
>
> The webex details for the meeting have already been sent out to the WG
> mail (
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2019Jan/0617.html ).
>
> The remaining open issues in github are listed at
> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?q=is%3Aissue+label%3Adcat%3ADistribution+
> is%3Aopen.  If anyone (potential attendee or not) wants to add more
> please make sure they are tagged with dcat:distribution.
>
> There are obvious topics around "informationally equivalent",
> packages/zips, positioning of distributions with respect to services as
> well as others that don't necessarily stand out from the detail - the
> meeting can decide how we work through this, what the priority is, what
> will benefit from discussion.
>
> Note:  The regular DCAT meeting will still be held on Wednesday 6th
> February at 21:00 UTC for 1 hr as usual, to cover broader progress
> discussions, feedback handling etc
>
> David Browning
>
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