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Re: Google search and Datasets

From: Rob Atkinson <rob@metalinkage.com.au>
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 07:17:46 +1000
Message-ID: <CACfF9LzhWMGyvyL3y8UcN7q_7N-HB+DKXQCpmx5qoaBnWpzpGw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>
Cc: Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov>, Dataset Exchange Working Group <public-dxwg-wg@w3.org>, Natasha Noy <noy@google.com>
Hi Dan, et al

I spoke to Ed Parsons about this, and he advised that it was unlikely that
any specific DCAT profiles would be supported, but my thinking is that if
you support DCAT + some way of handling, say, statistical datasets using
datacube - that support would actually constitute a DCAT profile logically,
and could be described as such.

Happy to work with you therefore to describe what you do support AS
profiles, rather than push a profile at you :-)  It would make sense to
formalise goverance of geospatial data profiles via OGC - as a sub-profile
of GeoDCAT for example, if you support GeoDCAT (????)

I'm trying to track this issue across a number of statistical data fora -
but struggling to identify a center of gravity for the discussion - do you
have any suggestions

Rob Atkinson


On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 at 06:33 Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com> wrote:

> You beat me to it :)
>
> (cc:'ing Natasha Noy who led this work at at Google, and who might not be
> able to post to this list directly but I can relay any bounced posts)
>
> I am really happy to see this work launch and am happy to answer any
> questions, here or offlist as folk prefer.
>
> Schema.org's dataset vocab is based on the core pattern from the early
> DCAT drafts a few years ago (and so shares its strengths and weaknesses).
> The Google implementation is based on JSON-LD, RDFa and Microdata embedded
> in the main per-dataset pages. While we focussed more on Schema.org there
> is some understanding of DCAT too and our support for both will hopefully
> evolve with the ecosystem (and updated W3C specs) over time. Other
> questions of course loom, e.g. how this relates to markup for fact
> checking, or for describing funders and projects, specialist domains (e.g.
> bioschemas, ...), or other W3C efforts like Data Cube and CSVW....
>
> Dan
>
> On Wed, 5 Sep 2018, 19:38 Annette Greiner, <amgreiner@lbl.gov> wrote:
>
>> I noticed their developer guide says "We can understand structured data
>> in Web pages about datasets, using either schema.org Dataset markup
>> <http://schema.org/Dataset>, or equivalent structures represented in W3C
>> <http://www.w3.org/>'s Data Catalog Vocabulary (DCAT) format
>> <https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/>." :)
>>
>> -Annette
>>
>> On 9/5/18 11:16 AM, Karen Coyle wrote:
>>
>> "Making it easier to find datasets" at the Google Blog:
>> https://www.blog.google/products/search/making-it-easier-discover-datasets/
>>
>> You may already be aware of their developer guide for datasets:
>> https://developers.google.com/search/docs/data-types/dataset
>>
>> which advises the use of schema.org.
>>
>> Apologies if this is old news to some of you.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Annette Greiner
>> NERSC Data and Analytics Services
>> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>>
>>
>>
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