[DCAT] 2018-03-21 team meeting summary

Productive meeting today.
8 resolutions, 4 issues closed, 3 closable pending acceptance of a Pull request - all dealing with domain/range constraints.

Next week we will vote to recommend to the DXWG plenary that the FPWD be published.

Unfortunately something went wrong with the IRC so we don't have nicely formatted minutes.
Fortunately I grabbed the log before closing it, so that is pasted below.

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[06:39] <SimonCox> Meeting: DCAT team 2018-03-21
[06:40] <SimonCox> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.03.21
[06:40] <SimonCox> chair: SimonCox
[06:41] <SimonCox> regrets: Erik Mannens, AndreaPerego, Alejandra
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[07:01] <SimonCox> regrets: Makx
[07:02] <SimonCox> regrets: PWinstanley
[07:02] <arminhaller> present+ arminhaller
[07:02] <SimonCox> present+
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[07:05] <SimonCox> riccardoAlbertoni: will you join the voice call?
[07:05] <DaveBrowning> present+
[07:05] <riccardoAlbertoni> yes i  am connecting
[07:06] <SimonCox> scribenick: riccardoAlbertoni
[07:07] <SimonCox> Topic: confirm agenda https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.03.21
[07:07] <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: any changes to the agenda?
[07:08] <riccardoAlbertoni> arminhaller: are we enough people?
[07:08] <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: we circulated the proposal we have regrets and people have posted their opinions
[07:09] <SimonCox> thats why I warned people and put votes in the issues - to invite participation asynchronously
[07:09] <SimonCox> we have 4 here and 5 regrets = 9 total
[07:09] <SimonCox> issues can be reopened if any one is unhappy
[07:09] <SimonCox> topic: approve minutes
[07:10] <SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2018/03/14-dxwgdcat-minutes
[07:10] <arminhaller> +1
[07:10] <SimonCox> +1
[07:10] <riccardoAlbertoni> 0 ( i was absent)
[07:10] <DaveBrowning> 0
[07:10] <SimonCox> topic: FPWD
[07:11] <SimonCox> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/
[07:11] <SimonCox> we will need a vote to release in 2-3 weeks
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[07:12] <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: we need consensum on the FPWD
[07:12] <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> present+
[07:12] <arminhaller> q+
[07:12] * Zakim sees arminhaller on the speaker queue
[07:13] <SimonCox> ack arminhaller
[07:13] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[07:13] <riccardoAlbertoni> arminhaller: the vote will be in the plenary won't it?
[07:14] <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: yes of course
[07:14] <SimonCox> Action: SImon to fix missing gap in date
[07:14] <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
[07:14] * RRSAgent records action 1
[07:15] <riccardoAlbertoni> arminhaller: some error on FPWD when visualizing in firefox, and other browser
[07:15] <SimonCox> Action: SimonCox alert list that vote to release FPWD from team to plenary next week
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[07:15] <riccardoAlbertoni> s/error/errors
[07:15] <SimonCox> topic: milestones and wiki pages
[07:16] <SimonCox> milestones https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestones
[07:16] <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: i build some milestones
[07:17] <SimonCox> wiki pages https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki
[07:17] <riccardoAlbertoni> i was trying to pull together some issues for example about licence, for each of the milestone there is a wiki page
[07:18] <riccardoAlbertoni> ... for the moment all the discussion is on the github
[07:18] <SimonCox> two wiki pages have some content:
[07:18] <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Data-aspects---semantics
[07:18] <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Data-service
[07:19] <riccardoAlbertoni> ... i am trying to encourage the people working on profile negotiation
[07:19] <arminhaller> @SimonCox great work!
[07:19] <SimonCox> q?
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[07:19] <riccardoAlbertoni> ... wiki pages can be used to put down proposal which are difficult with issues thread
[07:19] <arminhaller> q+
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[07:19] <SimonCox> ack arminhaller
[07:20] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[07:21] <SimonCox> encourage interested participants to add to Wiki pages
[07:21] <SimonCox> Topic: issues close to resolution
[07:22] <SimonCox> 1. https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/117 dcat:dataset
[07:23] <SimonCox> q?
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[07:23] <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: the consensum here seem to be not to make any changes
[07:23] <riccardoAlbertoni> ..any discussion ?
[07:23] <SimonCox> Proposed: no change to domain/range of dcat:dataset
[07:23] <arminhaller> q+
[07:23] <SimonCox> +1
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[07:23] <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
[07:23] <SimonCox> ack arm
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[07:23] <DaveBrowning> +1
[07:23] <SimonCox> ack arminhaller
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[07:23] <arminhaller> 0
[07:24] <riccardoAlbertoni> arminhaller: I want to justify my neutral  vote ...
[07:25] <SimonCox> resolved: no change to domain/range of dcat:dataset
[07:25] <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: in this case the max's argument about dcat backbone is very convincing to me ..
[07:25] <SimonCox> q?
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[07:25] <SimonCox> resolution: no change to domain/range of dcat:dataset
[07:26] <SimonCox> dcat:record https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/118
[07:26] * arminhaller it might be that trackbot is not working properly
[07:26] * arminhaller resolved was right, i think
[07:26] <SimonCox> q?
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[07:26] <arminhaller> 0
[07:26] <SimonCox> proposed: no change to domain/range of dcat:record
[07:26] <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: basic is the same motivation, not to change due to DCAT backbone
[07:27] <DaveBrowning> +1
[07:27] <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
[07:27] <SimonCox> +1
[07:27] <SimonCox> resolved: no change to domain/range of dcat:record
[07:27] <SimonCox> dcat:distribution https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/120
[07:27] <SimonCox> proposed: no change to domain/range on dcat:distribution
[07:28] <SimonCox> +1
[07:28] <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
[07:28] <DaveBrowning> +1
[07:28] <arminhaller> 0 and definitely an inverse here
[07:28] <SimonCox> resolved: no change to domain/range on dcat:distribution
[07:29] <SimonCox> dcat:themeTaxonomy https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/119
[07:30] <SimonCox> proposed: no change to domain/range of dcat:themeTaxonomy
[07:30] <SimonCox> +1
[07:30] <arminhaller> q+
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[07:30] <SimonCox> ack arminhaller
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[07:30] <riccardoAlbertoni> arminhaller: i do not really buy the argument that this is a property bound to the catalog ..
[07:32] <arminhaller> 0
[07:33] <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: if the goal of dcat was to establish a vocabulary to be reused in the semantic web, you are perfectly right, but the case here is to describe a catalog ... not reuse the properties in SW
[07:33] <DaveBrowning> +1
[07:33] <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
[07:33] <SimonCox> resolved: no change to domain/range of dcat:themeTaxonomy
[07:33] <SimonCox> dcat:keyword https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/121
[07:34] <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: here the proposal was to drop the domain constraint
[07:34] <SimonCox> ack riccardoAlbertoni
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[07:35] <SimonCox> riccardoAlbertoni explain issue comment https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/121#issuecomment-375021487
[07:36] <SimonCox> q?
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[07:36] <arminhaller> q+
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[07:36] <SimonCox> ack arminhaller
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[07:37] <SimonCox> q+
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[07:37] <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
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[07:37] <SimonCox> arminhaller: argues to make dcat:keyword reusable more broadly
[07:37] <SimonCox> ack SimonCox
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[07:40] <SimonCox> ack riccardoAlbertoni
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[07:40] <SimonCox> q?
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[07:40] <SimonCox> dcat:theme and dcat:keyword are merely sub-properties of dct:subject
[07:42] <SimonCox> other candidate specializations of dct:subject here: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Data-aspects---semantics
[07:43] <SimonCox> riccardoAlbertoni: need better documentation on use and intention of dcat:keyword and dcat:theme
[07:43] <SimonCox> proposed: remove domain on dcat:keyword
[07:43] <SimonCox> +1
[07:43] <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
[07:43] <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1
[07:43] <DaveBrowning> +1
[07:44] <arminhaller> +1
[07:44] <SimonCox> resolved: relax (remove) domain constraint on dcat:keyword
[07:44] <SimonCox> dcat:theme https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/123
[07:44] <SimonCox> q?
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[07:45] <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> s/resolved/resolution
[07:45] <SimonCox> proposed: relax domain constraint on dcat:theme
[07:45] <SimonCox> +1
[07:45] <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1
[07:45] <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
[07:45] <arminhaller> +1
[07:45] <DaveBrowning> +1
[07:45] <SimonCox> resolved: relax (remove) domain constraint on dcat:theme
[07:45] <DaveBrowning> q+
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[07:46] <SimonCox> Action: riccardoAlbertoni to propose some text clarifying use and intention of dcat:theme vs dcat:keyword
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[07:46] <DaveBrowning> q-
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[07:46] <arminhaller> being a broken record, dcat:theme and dcat:themeTaxonomy is strange wording, if the domain of theme:Taxonomy is Catalo
[07:46] <arminhaller> s/Catalo/Catalog
[07:46] <SimonCox> dcat:mediaType https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/127
[07:47] <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox:  not sure this is one ready to be resolved..
[07:47] <SimonCox> q?
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[07:47] <arminhaller> q+
[07:47] * Zakim sees arminhaller on the speaker queue
[07:47] <riccardoAlbertoni> ... any contribution to the discussion..
[07:47] <SimonCox> ack arminhaller
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[07:49] <riccardoAlbertoni> arminhaller: the dicussion is around the mediatype range ...  but the argument here is common practice, but common practice change...
[07:49] <SimonCox> arminhaller: dcterms:MediaTypeOrExtent as range has been common practice - lets check if that is still the case?
[07:50] <SimonCox> Action: arminhaller look if dcterms:MediaTypeOrExtent is still common practice?
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[07:50] <arminhaller> s/practice change/practice may have changed
[07:51] <SimonCox> dcat:landingPage https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/122
[07:51] <SimonCox> proposed: relax/remove domain constraint on dcat:landingPage
[07:51] <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1
[07:51] <SimonCox> +1
[07:52] <arminhaller> +1
[07:52] <DaveBrowning> +1
[07:53] <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
[07:53] <SimonCox> resolved: relax/remove domain constraint on dcat:landingPage
[07:54] <SimonCox> what about range constraint? rdfs:range foaf:Document ;   rdfs:subPropertyOf foaf:Page ;
[07:54] <SimonCox> foaf:Document is broader class than web-page!
[07:55] <arminhaller> q?
[07:55] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[07:55] <SimonCox> should a landing page be always a list-of-distributions?
[07:55] <arminhaller> q=
[07:55] * Zakim arminhaller, if you meant to query the queue, please say 'q?'; if you meant to replace the queue, please say 'queue= ...'
[07:55] <arminhaller> q+
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[07:56] <SimonCox> q?
[07:56] * Zakim sees arminhaller on the speaker queue
[07:56] <SimonCox> ack arminhaller
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[07:57] <riccardoAlbertoni> arminhaller: i am not sure we need to qualify a landing page.. any url should be ok ..
[07:57] <SimonCox> arminhaller: maybe need another kind of link to landing-pages
[07:57] <SimonCox> ... in addition
[07:58] <SimonCox> Propose: no change to range of dcat:landingPage
[07:58] <SimonCox> (on the understanding that there is a bigger conversation to be had around links out to landing pages)
[07:58] <SimonCox> +1
[07:58] <arminhaller> +1
[07:59] <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
[07:59] <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1 (foaf:homepage also has range foaf:Document)
[07:59] <DaveBrowning> +1
[07:59] <SimonCox> i.e. close https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/122 for now
[07:59] <SimonCox> resolved: no change to range of dcat:landingPage
[07:59] <SimonCox> q?
[07:59] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[08:00] <SimonCox> Topic: AOB
[08:00] <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> s/resolved/resolution
[08:00] * arminhaller well done, record no of resolutions
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[08:00] <riccardoAlbertoni>  rrsagent, create minutes
[08:00] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/21-dxwgdcat-minutes.html riccardoAlbertoni
[08:00] <SimonCox> rrsagent generate minutes v2
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[08:01] <SimonCox> rrsagent, generate minutes v.2
[08:01] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'generate minutes v.2', SimonCox.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
[08:02] <SimonCox> rrsagent, format the minutes
[08:02] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/21-dxwgdcat-minutes.html SimonCox

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