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Re: Profile Guidance roundup

From: Rob Atkinson <rob@metalinkage.com.au>
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 06:01:43 +1000
Message-ID: <CACfF9Lw0cdeZU=Fs9ZF+WXWn32A_cf8mVNaASnQP62OqWPEUNQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
Cc: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org
Lets discuss terminology choices in the profile guidance group - i went for
ugly verbose to try to be clear, i'm sure we can find more elegant choices.



On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 at 03:30 Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thanks indeed, Karen. This is very useful!
>
> @Rob: my model is an earlier attempt to caracterize what is in
> ProfileDesc, but it's not so early ;-)
> It was at the last F2F. Looking at ProfileDesc, and trying to make sense
> of it - as you had done already some terminology choices, which I found
> hard to understand (probably because I missed the flexibility of being able
> to group notions with slashes ;-) )
>
> Cheers,
>
> Antoine
>
> On 16/07/18 17:18, Karen Coyle wrote:
> > Note about dct:Standard and more:
> >
> > The DC terms definition of dct:Standard was NOT changed, precisely
> > because it would have narrowed the definition and rendered some current
> > data invalid.
> >
> > But more significantly, DC is moving toward the use of defining domains
> > and ranges of DC terms as being the semantic equivalent of schema.org's
> > "domainIncludes" "rangeIncludes". This is in recognition of the reality
> > that many uses of DC terms are working with legacy data that predates
> > the use of IRIs. Domains and ranges thus become recommendations or best
> > practices, but are not constraints.
> >
> > On 7/15/18 5:21 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for doing this Karen - its very helpful.
> >>
> >> A couple of suggestions and notes: (i'll leave you to edit it unless you
> >> ask me to)
> >>
> >> 1) I think Andrea's effort to list a few different constraint languages
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zty4jTzhG0_1xoJlDOMq1XeHelIwVP2-STw6_-_ZxR4/edit#gid=0
> is
> >> significant - it pretty much evidences that there is no single
> >> constraint language to rule them all. IMHO this needs to be part of the
> >> guidance - to choose the most appropriate constraint language for your
> >> community..
> >
> > Yes, I'll add this as a section (or paragraph) on constraint languages.
> > I assume (at the moment) that constraint LANGUAGEs are optional and
> > potentially outside of the application profile itself, but represent a
> > direction that APs should be moving toward, either as the AP language or
> > as a separate representation of AP-defined constraints.
> >
> > kc
> >
> >>
> >> 2) apropos the list of "data models" - Antoine's model is i think an
> >> early attempt to render the profiledesc concepts being proposed -
> >> (correct me if i'm wrong) - and it is in any way the same data model
> >> that is expressed more formally in profiledesc.
> >> Stephane's model has a different scope - it addresses the much broader
> >> topic of schema mapping - if you split out the profile description part
> >> it is trivially consistent with profiledesc, and reinforces its role and
> >> design - a profile subclasses dcterms:Standard - though this is at risk
> >> if DC tightens definitions of dcterms:Standard in a non-backward
> >> compatible way.
> >>
> >> I havent located the reference (i think from you) to the proposed
> >> redefinition of dct:Standard - if this is indeed a possibility then can
> >> you drop in a link under the data models section - or perhaps we need to
> >> reopen https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/152
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 at 02:42 Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net
> >> <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >>      As promised on the call yesterday, I've added a wiki page[1] based
> on my
> >>      own list-making relating to the profile guidance document. It
> attempts
> >>      to gather in one place various decisions and contributions so that
> it is
> >>      easier to see where we are in that work. I started it because it
> felt to
> >>      me that our work in this area is pretty scattered, although I think
> >>      that's in a sense the nature of starting a new document that we
> haven't
> >>      fully defined as yet. As I also said yesterday, this is far, far
> from
> >>      complete, but I'll keep working on it, as should others.
> >>
> >>      I'd like to keep this as a list of pointers, so discussion should
> take
> >>      place elsewhere, mainly github. We can link to the discussions
> from here
> >>      so there is a "one-stop" place to find links.
> >>
> >>      I've added it to the main wiki page under Profiles for the moment.
> >>
> >>      Let me know if this looks useful.
> >>
> >>      kc
> >>      [1] https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/ProfileRoundup
> >>      --
> >>      Karen Coyle
> >>      kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> http://kcoyle.net
> >>      m: 1-510-435-8234 (Signal)
> >>      skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 <+1%20510-984-3600>
> <tel:+1%20510-984-3600>
> >>
> >
>
>
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