- From: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
- Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 07:57:24 -0700
- To: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org
Thanks, Jaroslav, and thanks for linking from the home page! kc On 7/11/17 3:17 AM, Jaroslav Pullmann wrote: > > Dear Karen, dear all > > based on the diagram I created a Wiki page [1] that puts DCAT in context > of standards and related work (e.g. CKAN). While still preliminary it > might > help to work out the (missing) characteristics of central DCAT concepts. > Please feel free to edit and augment the page! > > Best regards > Jaroslav > > [1] https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/DCAT_Context > > > > On 10.07.2017 23:19, Karen Coyle wrote: >> Jaro - Thanks for doing this analysis. However, we need it on our wiki >> in a form that others can contribute. I don't see anything here that >> couldn't be text or a table - can you create a wiki page with the >> information? >> >> Thanks, >> kc >> >> On 7/10/17 6:43 AM, Jaroslav Pullmann wrote: >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> in order to support today's discussion I created an overview >>> of related standards and their concept of "Dataset" [1]. >>> It is not meant to be exhaustive, just providing a starting point.. >>> >>> Best regards >>> Jaroslav >>> >>> [1] https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwQz5mWMUijvLU05cGx1ZHFocDQ >>> >>> >>> >>> On 07.07.2017 14:38, Makx Dekkers wrote: >>>> Jaroslav, >>>> >>>> It is really necessary to assume a particular purpose for a Dataset? >>>> It seems to me that requiring a Dataset "to serve a particular, even >>>> hypothetical information need and any kind of digital processing and >>>> not simply the task of distribution (software)" creates a restriction >>>> that might render existing implementation non-conformant. For example, >>>> I know if work where Software Distributions are modelled as >>>> dcat:Distributions under a Software Solution modelled as a >>>> dcat:Dataset. >>>> >>>> As to the CKAN definition of Dataset, I think that every CKAN Dataset >>>> is a dcat:Dataset but the inverse would not necessarily be true. >>>> >>>> Makx. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Jaroslav Pullmann [mailto:jaroslav.pullmann@fit.fraunhofer.de] >>>> Sent: 07 July 2017 11:19 >>>> To: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org >>>> Subject: Re: Agenda July 10, 2017 / Summary of Dataset related issues >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> my initial assumption DCAT is about registries of (structured) >>>> bulk data was in deed challenged >>>> by the mentioned use cases, since they consider any type of >>>> digital artifact including service endpoints. >>>> As already discussed in context of ID6, Web Services are a sample >>>> of dynamic Distribution which exposes >>>> a particular representation of the rather abstract Dataset (~ >>>> Information resource), so I'd exclude >>>> them from the Dataset layer. >>>> I'd intuitively expect the content of a Dataset to serve a >>>> particular, even hypothetical information >>>> need and any kind of digital processing and not simply the task of >>>> distribution (software). >>>> >>>> Here the working definition of a "dataset" in CKAN seems relevant >>>> [1]: >>>> "For CKAN purposes, data is published in units called >>>> datasets. A dataset is a parcel of data - >>>> for example, it could be the crime statistics for a region, the >>>> spending figures for a government >>>> department, or temperature readings from various weather >>>> stations." >>>> >>>> In next telcon I'll try to summarize the issues, but we may ask >>>> Andrea to comment on his detailed UC ID20. >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> Jaroslav >>>> [1] http://docs.ckan.org/en/latest/user-guide.html >>>> >>>> >>>> On 07.07.2017 08:46, Makx Dekkers wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Karen, >>>>> >>>>> Not sure how to introduce the related use cases. >>>>> >>>>> As far as I see, the issue seems to be that people may apply, may >>>>> want to apply, and are applying, DCAT to various types of data >>>>> collections. >>>>> >>>>> Questions to consider could be: >>>>> >>>>> 1. is there a need to be able to identify the type of data(set) that >>>>> is being described? >>>>> 2. if so, how can the type of data be identified -- i.e. in which >>>>> property and using which (kinds of) controlled vocabularies? >>>>> >>>>> Maybe Jaroslav has other ideas? >>>>> >>>>> Makx. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Karen Coyle [mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net] >>>>> Sent: 06 July 2017 18:24 >>>>> To: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org >>>>> Subject: Re: Agenda July 10, 2017 >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Makx. It would be helpful if you or Jaroslav (or both!) could >>>>> introduce this set of use cases that you've suggested, with what you >>>>> see as a best approach. >>>>> >>>>> kc >>>>> >>>>> On 7/6/17 9:05 AM, Makx Dekkers wrote: >>>>>> Karen, all, >>>>>> >>>>>> If I may, I would suggest not to start the discussion trying to >>>>>> define what a Dataset is. It seems to me that it would be more >>>>>> practical to look at what Simon mentions at the end of his problem >>>>>> statement "a way for a DCAT description to indicate the 'type' of >>>>>> dataset involved". >>>>>> >>>>>> Makx. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Karen Coyle [mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net] >>>>>> Sent: 06 July 2017 17:28 >>>>>> To: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org >>>>>> Subject: Agenda July 10, 2017 >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2017.07.10 >>>>>> >>>>>> This agenda follows Jaroslav's and Makx's suggestions by initiating >>>>>> the discussion of "what is a dataset?" >>>>>> >>>>>> kc >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Karen Coyle >>>>>> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net >>>>>> m: 1-510-435-8234 (Signal) >>>>>> skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Karen Coyle >>>>> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net >>>>> m: 1-510-435-8234 (Signal) >>>>> skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jaroslav Pullmann >>>> Fraunhofer Institute for Applied Information Technology FIT >>>> User-Centered Ubiquitous Computing Schloss Birlinghoven | D-53757 >>>> Sankt Augustin | Germany >>>> Phone: +49-2241-143620 | Fax: +49-2241-142146 >>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: 1-510-435-8234 (Signal) skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
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