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Re: Agenda July 10, 2017 / Summary of Dataset related issues / Wiki DCAT in Context

From: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 07:57:24 -0700
To: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org
Message-ID: <d0b440b3-cb0e-3165-856e-155133536a9a@kcoyle.net>
Thanks, Jaroslav, and thanks for linking from the home page!

kc

On 7/11/17 3:17 AM, Jaroslav Pullmann wrote:
> 
>  Dear Karen, dear all
> 
>   based on the diagram I created a Wiki page [1] that puts DCAT in context
>  of standards and related work (e.g. CKAN). While still preliminary it
> might
>  help to work out the (missing) characteristics of central DCAT concepts.
>  Please feel free to edit and augment the page!
> 
>   Best regards
>  Jaroslav
> 
>  [1] https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/DCAT_Context
> 
> 
> 
> On 10.07.2017 23:19, Karen Coyle wrote:
>> Jaro - Thanks for doing this analysis. However, we need it on our wiki
>> in a form that others can contribute. I don't see anything here that
>> couldn't be text or a table - can you create a wiki page with the
>> information?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> kc
>>
>> On 7/10/17 6:43 AM, Jaroslav Pullmann wrote:
>>>
>>>   Dear all,
>>>
>>>    in order to support today's discussion I created an overview
>>>   of related standards and their concept of "Dataset" [1].
>>>   It is not meant to be exhaustive, just providing a starting point..
>>>
>>>     Best regards
>>>    Jaroslav
>>>
>>>   [1] https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwQz5mWMUijvLU05cGx1ZHFocDQ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07.07.2017 14:38, Makx Dekkers wrote:
>>>> Jaroslav,
>>>>
>>>> It is really necessary to assume a particular purpose for a Dataset?
>>>> It seems to me that requiring a Dataset "to serve a particular, even
>>>> hypothetical information need and any kind of digital processing and
>>>> not simply the task of distribution (software)" creates a restriction
>>>> that might render existing implementation non-conformant. For example,
>>>> I know if work where Software Distributions are modelled as
>>>> dcat:Distributions under a Software Solution modelled as a
>>>> dcat:Dataset.
>>>>
>>>> As to the CKAN definition of Dataset, I think that every CKAN Dataset
>>>> is a dcat:Dataset but the inverse would not necessarily be true.
>>>>
>>>> Makx.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jaroslav Pullmann [mailto:jaroslav.pullmann@fit.fraunhofer.de]
>>>> Sent: 07 July 2017 11:19
>>>> To: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Agenda July 10, 2017 / Summary of Dataset related issues
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      Dear all,
>>>>
>>>>        my initial assumption DCAT is about registries of (structured)
>>>> bulk data was in deed challenged
>>>>      by the mentioned use cases, since they consider any type of
>>>> digital artifact including service endpoints.
>>>>      As already discussed in context of ID6, Web Services are a sample
>>>> of dynamic Distribution which exposes
>>>>      a particular representation of the rather abstract Dataset (~
>>>> Information resource), so I'd exclude
>>>>      them from the Dataset layer.
>>>>          I'd intuitively expect the content of a Dataset to serve a
>>>> particular, even hypothetical information
>>>>      need and any kind of digital processing and not simply the task of
>>>> distribution (software).
>>>>
>>>>      Here the working definition of a "dataset" in CKAN seems relevant
>>>> [1]:
>>>>          "For CKAN purposes, data is published in units called
>>>> datasets. A dataset is a parcel of data -
>>>>       for example, it could be the crime statistics for a region, the
>>>> spending figures for a government
>>>>       department, or temperature readings from various weather
>>>> stations."
>>>>
>>>>      In next telcon I'll try to summarize the issues, but we may ask
>>>> Andrea to comment on his detailed UC ID20.
>>>>
>>>>      Best regards
>>>>     Jaroslav
>>>>          [1] http://docs.ckan.org/en/latest/user-guide.html
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>> On 07.07.2017 08:46, Makx Dekkers wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Karen,
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure how to introduce the related use cases.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I see, the issue seems to be that people may apply, may
>>>>> want to apply, and are applying, DCAT to various types of data
>>>>> collections.
>>>>>
>>>>> Questions to consider could be:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. is there a need to be able to identify the type of data(set) that
>>>>> is being described?
>>>>> 2. if so, how can the type of data be identified -- i.e. in which
>>>>> property and using which (kinds of) controlled vocabularies?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe Jaroslav has other ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> Makx.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Karen Coyle [mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net]
>>>>> Sent: 06 July 2017 18:24
>>>>> To: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: Agenda July 10, 2017
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Makx. It would be helpful if you or Jaroslav (or both!) could
>>>>> introduce this set of use cases that you've suggested, with what you
>>>>> see as a best approach.
>>>>>
>>>>> kc
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/6/17 9:05 AM, Makx Dekkers wrote:
>>>>>> Karen, all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I may, I would suggest not to start the discussion trying to
>>>>>> define what a Dataset is. It seems to me that it would be more
>>>>>> practical to look at what Simon mentions at the end of his problem
>>>>>> statement "a way for a DCAT description to indicate the 'type' of
>>>>>> dataset involved".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Makx.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Karen Coyle [mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net]
>>>>>> Sent: 06 July 2017 17:28
>>>>>> To: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org
>>>>>> Subject: Agenda July 10, 2017
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2017.07.10
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This agenda follows Jaroslav's and Makx's suggestions by initiating
>>>>>> the discussion of "what is a dataset?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> kc
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Karen Coyle
>>>>>> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
>>>>>> m: 1-510-435-8234 (Signal)
>>>>>> skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Karen Coyle
>>>>> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
>>>>> m: 1-510-435-8234 (Signal)
>>>>> skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Jaroslav Pullmann
>>>> Fraunhofer Institute for Applied Information Technology FIT
>>>> User-Centered Ubiquitous Computing Schloss Birlinghoven | D-53757
>>>> Sankt Augustin | Germany
>>>> Phone: +49-2241-143620 | Fax: +49-2241-142146
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 

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Karen Coyle
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