- From: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
- Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 14:19:29 -0700
- To: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org
Jaro - Thanks for doing this analysis. However, we need it on our wiki in a form that others can contribute. I don't see anything here that couldn't be text or a table - can you create a wiki page with the information? Thanks, kc On 7/10/17 6:43 AM, Jaroslav Pullmann wrote: > > Dear all, > > in order to support today's discussion I created an overview > of related standards and their concept of "Dataset" [1]. > It is not meant to be exhaustive, just providing a starting point.. > > Best regards > Jaroslav > > [1] https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwQz5mWMUijvLU05cGx1ZHFocDQ > > > > On 07.07.2017 14:38, Makx Dekkers wrote: >> Jaroslav, >> >> It is really necessary to assume a particular purpose for a Dataset? >> It seems to me that requiring a Dataset "to serve a particular, even >> hypothetical information need and any kind of digital processing and >> not simply the task of distribution (software)" creates a restriction >> that might render existing implementation non-conformant. For example, >> I know if work where Software Distributions are modelled as >> dcat:Distributions under a Software Solution modelled as a dcat:Dataset. >> >> As to the CKAN definition of Dataset, I think that every CKAN Dataset >> is a dcat:Dataset but the inverse would not necessarily be true. >> >> Makx. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jaroslav Pullmann [mailto:jaroslav.pullmann@fit.fraunhofer.de] >> Sent: 07 July 2017 11:19 >> To: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org >> Subject: Re: Agenda July 10, 2017 / Summary of Dataset related issues >> >> >> Dear all, >> >> my initial assumption DCAT is about registries of (structured) >> bulk data was in deed challenged >> by the mentioned use cases, since they consider any type of >> digital artifact including service endpoints. >> As already discussed in context of ID6, Web Services are a sample >> of dynamic Distribution which exposes >> a particular representation of the rather abstract Dataset (~ >> Information resource), so I'd exclude >> them from the Dataset layer. >> I'd intuitively expect the content of a Dataset to serve a >> particular, even hypothetical information >> need and any kind of digital processing and not simply the task of >> distribution (software). >> >> Here the working definition of a "dataset" in CKAN seems relevant >> [1]: >> "For CKAN purposes, data is published in units called >> datasets. A dataset is a parcel of data - >> for example, it could be the crime statistics for a region, the >> spending figures for a government >> department, or temperature readings from various weather stations." >> >> In next telcon I'll try to summarize the issues, but we may ask >> Andrea to comment on his detailed UC ID20. >> >> Best regards >> Jaroslav >> >> [1] http://docs.ckan.org/en/latest/user-guide.html >> >> >> >> On 07.07.2017 08:46, Makx Dekkers wrote: >>> >>> Karen, >>> >>> Not sure how to introduce the related use cases. >>> >>> As far as I see, the issue seems to be that people may apply, may >>> want to apply, and are applying, DCAT to various types of data >>> collections. >>> >>> Questions to consider could be: >>> >>> 1. is there a need to be able to identify the type of data(set) that >>> is being described? >>> 2. if so, how can the type of data be identified -- i.e. in which >>> property and using which (kinds of) controlled vocabularies? >>> >>> Maybe Jaroslav has other ideas? >>> >>> Makx. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Karen Coyle [mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net] >>> Sent: 06 July 2017 18:24 >>> To: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org >>> Subject: Re: Agenda July 10, 2017 >>> >>> Thanks, Makx. It would be helpful if you or Jaroslav (or both!) could >>> introduce this set of use cases that you've suggested, with what you >>> see as a best approach. >>> >>> kc >>> >>> On 7/6/17 9:05 AM, Makx Dekkers wrote: >>>> Karen, all, >>>> >>>> If I may, I would suggest not to start the discussion trying to >>>> define what a Dataset is. It seems to me that it would be more >>>> practical to look at what Simon mentions at the end of his problem >>>> statement "a way for a DCAT description to indicate the 'type' of >>>> dataset involved". >>>> >>>> Makx. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Karen Coyle [mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net] >>>> Sent: 06 July 2017 17:28 >>>> To: public-dxwg-wg@w3.org >>>> Subject: Agenda July 10, 2017 >>>> >>>> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2017.07.10 >>>> >>>> This agenda follows Jaroslav's and Makx's suggestions by initiating >>>> the discussion of "what is a dataset?" >>>> >>>> kc >>>> -- >>>> Karen Coyle >>>> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net >>>> m: 1-510-435-8234 (Signal) >>>> skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Karen Coyle >>> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net >>> m: 1-510-435-8234 (Signal) >>> skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Jaroslav Pullmann >> Fraunhofer Institute for Applied Information Technology FIT >> User-Centered Ubiquitous Computing Schloss Birlinghoven | D-53757 >> Sankt Augustin | Germany >> Phone: +49-2241-143620 | Fax: +49-2241-142146 >> >> > -- Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: 1-510-435-8234 (Signal) skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
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