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Re: some comments on the DWBP draft

From: Caroline Burle <cburle@nic.br>
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 12:12:35 +0100
To: Erik Wilde <dret@berkeley.edu>, public-dwbp-wg@w3.org
Message-ID: <56E93FA3.4030600@nic.br>
Hello Erik!

Thank you very much for your comments. After discussing them with the 
group during the F2F meeting, we answer bellow.

Kind regards,
Bernadette, Caroline and Newton
BP Editors

- "Best Practice 14: Provide data in multiple formats" might want to say 
if that should be done by different URIs, or one URI and HTTP conneg. 
that's a very typical question publishers have, so it should be 
mentioned at the very least, even if the answer is "we have no specific 
recommendation either way".

The Best Practice 22: "Serving data and resources with different 
formats"[1] was created to address this comment.

- "Best Practice 14: Provide data in multiple formats" should say that 
for fragment identifiers to be consistent across formats, care is needed 
to make sure that this is the case (as much as possible, depending on 
the formats and their features).

- generally speaking, i am wondering why the terms hypertext or 
hypermedia are not even mentioned in the spec. isn't that what data on 
the web ideally should be, linkable and linked? 
https://github.com/dret/webdata#one-star-linkable and 
https://github.com/dret/webdata#four-star-linked are core principles for 
good web data. *linkable* means more than just URIs. it also means, for 
example, to provide meaningful and robust fragment identifiers for 
others to link to. *linked* means to use URIs and to specifically avoid 
other kinds of (often non-globally scoped) identifiers, so that links 
don't break when taken out of context.

There is a action [2] to Phil Archer to add a line on fragment 
identifiers in Best Practice 15: "Provide data in multiple formats".

- best practices 24 and 27 kind of conflict. one important idea of REST 
is to avoid versioning, and having versioned URIs is a pretty certain 
sign of bad design smell when it comes to media types and API design.

We addressed that on Best Practice 10: "Avoid Breaking Changes to Your 
API"[3]. Are you okay with it?

- regarding best practice 30, i am wondering if 
https://github.com/dret/I-D/blob/master/sunset-header/draft-wilde-sunset-header-00.txt 
is something that might be worth mentioning in some form. this is 
currently a pre-I-D draft, but maybe the general idea of communicating 
resource availability is relevant for DWBP?

We very much appreciate your suggestion, since it is a draft we think we 
shouldn't reference it directly. However, it would be great if you could 
review the Best Practice 29: "Update the status of identifiers"[4] and 
let us know if you think some content of your draft might fit there.

[1] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Conneg
[2] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/265
[3] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataPreservation
[4] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#provideVersioningInfo

On 26/06/15 03:06, Erik Wilde wrote:
> hello.
>
> some comments on the current DWBP draft:
>
> - "Best Practice 14: Provide data in multiple formats" might want to 
> say if that should be done by different URIs, or one URI and HTTP 
> conneg. that's a very typical question publishers have, so it should 
> be mentioned at the very least, even if the answer is "we have no 
> specific recommendation either way".
>
> - "Best Practice 14: Provide data in multiple formats" should say that 
> for fragment identifiers to be consistent across formats, care is 
> needed to make sure that this is the case (as much as possible, 
> depending on the formats and their features).
>
> - generally speaking, i am wondering why the terms hypertext or 
> hypermedia are not even mentioned in the spec. isn't that what data on 
> the web ideally should be, linkable and linked? 
> https://github.com/dret/webdata#one-star-linkable and 
> https://github.com/dret/webdata#four-star-linked are core principles 
> for good web data. *linkable* means more than just URIs. it also 
> means, for example, to provide meaningful and robust fragment 
> identifiers for others to link to. *linked* means to use URIs and to 
> specifically avoid other kinds of (often non-globally scoped) 
> identifiers, so that links don't break when taken out of context.
>
> - best practices 24 and 27 kind of conflict. one important idea of 
> REST is to avoid versioning, and having versioned URIs is a pretty 
> certain sign of bad design smell when it comes to media types and API 
> design.
>
> - regarding best practice 30, i am wondering if 
> https://github.com/dret/I-D/blob/master/sunset-header/draft-wilde-sunset-header-00.txt 
> is something that might be worth mentioning in some form. this is 
> currently a pre-I-D draft, but maybe the general idea of communicating 
> resource availability is relevant for DWBP?
>
> thanks and cheers,
>
> dret.
>
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