- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 17:18:50 +0000
- To: Public DWBP WG <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
The minutes of today's call are at www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-minutes
and copied as text below.
Looking forward to seeing many of you in Zagreb next week!
Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
11 Mar 2016
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-irc
Attendees
Present
PWinstanley, phila, newton, hadleybeeman, antoine,
riccardoAlbertoni, ericstephan, deirdrelee, yaso
Regrets
Carol, Bernadette, Laufer
Chair
Hadley
Scribe
annette_g
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Zagreb
* [5]Summary of Action Items
* [6]Summary of Resolutions
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<hadleybeeman> [7]https://www.w3.org/2016/03/04-dwbp-minutes
[7] https://www.w3.org/2016/03/04-dwbp-minutes
PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes
<hadleybeeman> +1
<newton> +1
<antoine> +1
+1
<phila> +1
<ericstephan> +1
<RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
RESOLUTION: Accept last week's minutes
hadleybeeman: first item: closing items before the f2f. We need
to try and do that by Monday
<hadleybeeman> html
<hadleybeeman> [8]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp-status.html
[8] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp-status.html
hadleybeeman: BP status review?
newton: on the status table, we have some BPs that need to be
done still.
... need some input from ericstephan
ericstephan: BP 30 is done, example and tests
<ericstephan> is this done now Newton? Or is there anything
missing from the example I need to include?
<newton> Best Practice 30: Gather feedback from data consumers
newton: BP 30 still needs a little more work
<newton> Best Practice 31: Provide information about feedback
ericstephan: I provided an example in a google doc for one of
the editors to include it. I think it's complete.
... I thought I provided BP31 also.
will check
ericstephan: I'm not sure the status of BP23.
hadleybeeman: are you the right person to look into that?
ericstephan: I've been kind of distracted with DUV stuff, could
use some help from someone else on the example for real-time
access.
hadleybeeman: anyone?
ericstephan: annette_g?
annette_g: I'm feeling similarly overbooked
PWinstanley__: I have some data that might work for this, from
sensors
ericstephan: one problem I"m having is that there is a BP for
keeping data up to date already.
PWinstanley__: I was thinking about river levels, not by the
microsecond, but every 15 or 20 minutes. I can contact my
colleagues to find out what the score it.
<ericstephan> PWinstanley__ thank you!
<scribe> ACTION: Peter to check on using an example about
real-time data for BP23 [recorded in
[9]http://www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
[9] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-239 - Check on using an example about
real-time data for bp23 [on Peter Winstanley - due 2016-03-18].
<hadleybeeman> phila: ericstephan's point about real-time and
keeping data up to date... they can mean the same thing.
<hadleybeeman> ...For river levels, real-time can be every 15
minutes. The frequency is context-dependent.
<ericstephan> good points phila
phila: what's real-time depends on the data
<ericstephan> didn't catch the last part...
newton: is the real-time data the same as a data stream?
annette_g: I think it's not necessarily, but it can be
<ericstephan> streams like twitter feeds?
hadleybeeman: the "stream" only appears one place in our doc,
talking about activity streams
<ericstephan> we could do this in real time
hadleybeeman: what else?
newton: BP18 si assigned to Joao Paolo
he seems to be tied up
hadleybeeman: can someone else take this on?
antoine: I was surprised that this was assigned to him. I can
help, but not before next week.
newton: what does this do to the discussion next week?
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about Joaoa Paulo
phila: I had an email from Joao Paulo saying he will join for a
part of the f2f.
hadleybeeman: we can't really assign to him in absentia
newton: we can work on it during the f2f. That's better than no
work on it. Berna and I can help, too.
antoine: Since I wrote that BP, that's why I was surprised it
was assigned to him.
newton: should I change the name on the BP to Antoine?
hadleybeeman: sure.
newton: BP 32, enriching data
... Adriano and Adriano are assigned to it, but they aren't
involved lately
yaso: they agreed that they are not responsible for the BP.
It's up to the group now.
I agree with annette_g that it's an important one.
maybe we should close the action and try to talk about it in
the f2f.
hadleybeeman: if we're to keep it as a BP, I'd like to have
someone on it
yaso: I"m afraid to take it on and not be able to do it.
phila: my solution is Occam's razor.
it would take a significant effort to complete it.
phila: annette_g seems to be the remaining interested person
<hadleybeeman> annette_g: I'd rather try to fix it than just
drop it.
<ericstephan> It could be picked again in a future community
group
annette_g: I'd rather have it on my list than see it dropped
antoine: I can provide an example for this. I sent my example
on the chat in a previous meeting, but there was no reaction.
This may mean we should drop it.
<antoine> For info this is the example I mentioned:
[10]https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JvjrWMTpMIH7WnuieNqcT0z
pJAXUPo6x4uMBj1pEx0Y/
[10]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JvjrWMTpMIH7WnuieNqcT0zpJAXUPo6x4uMBj1pEx0Y/
ericstephan: I think the timing is not good. It might not be
worth it for something that's more a cool idea.
I'm for dropping it
hadleybeeman: there is a way for the group to drop it and not
lose it
<Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to ask Newton when we need to
stop accepting new text into the document
hadleybeeman: newton, when is the cutoff for new items?
newton: not sure we can add new text even now
* really???? :(
hadleybeeman: does it make sense to give annette_g a few days
to try?
newton: I need to talk with the other editors
hadleybeeman: annette_g, are you going to zagreb?
annette_g: just remotely for a few hours
hadleybeeman: can you work on it over the weekend
<scribe> ACTION: Annette to work on the BP for enriching data
before the f2f [recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]
[11] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-240 - Work on the bp for enriching
data before the f2f [on Annette Greiner - due 2016-03-18].
<newton> @annette_g are you going to improve the Data
Enrichment section or only in the BP?
antoine: offers to help if needed as well.
annette_g: I think just the one BP
<newton> BP 22: Serving data and resources with different
formats
newton: BP 22, serving data with different formats
<phila> - [12]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Conneg BP 22
[12] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Conneg
<newton> [13]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Conneg
[13] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Conneg
hadleybeeman: I can take it.
<scribe> ACTION: Hadley to review BP 22 [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action03]
[14] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-241 - Review bp 22 [on Hadley Beeman
- due 2016-03-18].
<newton>
[15]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_Zagreb_-_Agenda_Propo
sal_DWBP
[15]
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_Zagreb_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP
newton: back to the table. If you have red around your name in
it, you need to complete that action.
<deirdrelee> will do!
<deirdrelee> def finished by monday
<ericstephan> Or Sunday midnight here
newton: phila, can we close 94?
phila: yes
<newton> Close this issue. The group agrees that we shouldn't
recommend specific tools in our BP. Maybe we can include an
example about using git for dataset versioning. Should we
include the example?
hadleybeeman: we nee to answer the question about whether to
avoid specific technologies
phila: in the implementation section?
hadleybeeman: see issue 94
<phila> issue-94?
<trackbot> issue-94 -- Dataset versioning and dataset
replication -- open
<trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/94
[16] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/94
PWinstanley: an issue with versioning is whether you're doing
versioning with diffs or with complete sets. we can point to
using something like Git as an approach to the latter.
hadleybeeman: we need to get some language
PWinstanley: In the various approaches toward versioning
systems, there are certain general principles and ways in which
you can overcome issues like forking and merging.
... presumably we can come up with something that deals with
that
phila: this was first raised on the use cases doc
hadleybeeman: does any part of this need to be settled for the
BP doc?
newton: I don't think so.
<phila> close issue-94
<trackbot> Closed issue-94.
hadleybeeman: Let's just close it
<ericstephan> [17]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/148
close
[17] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/148
hadleybeeman: issue 148. ericstephan can we close it?
ericstephan: yes
<phila> close issue-148
<trackbot> Closed issue-148.
issue 220 was bernadette's and she wants to close it
<phila> issue-220?
<trackbot> issue-220 -- Should we include a more complexe
example to illustrate provenance? -- open
<trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/220
[18] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/220
<ericstephan> I am having troubles hearing
newton: I can create an action on myself to put in the example
that Antoine suggested
from issue 220
<phila> close issue-228
<trackbot> Closed issue-228.
<phila> close issue-220
<trackbot> Closed issue-220.
<scribe> ACTION: Newton to follow up on issue 220 [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action04]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-242 - Follow up on issue 220 [on
Newton Calegari - due 2016-03-18].
hadleybeeman: we closed 228
232 is done
<phila> close issue-232
<trackbot> Closed issue-232.
hadleybeeman: issue 149 is yours
<deirdrelee> yes
<phila> close issue-149
<trackbot> Closed issue-149.
<phila> issue-160?
<trackbot> issue-160 -- Should we add at BP about subsetting
data? -- open
<trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/160
[20] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/160
<phila> Hmmm... big issue
<hadleybeeman> annette: I feel like we have it covered by
having APIs... but if you're posting data outside of that, as a
blob, maybe there is value in giving people accesss to
fragments
<ericstephan> It is huge
<hadleybeeman> hadley: this is less of an challenge in linked
data -- but we're talking about more than just that.
<ericstephan> Its really hard if you don't have a specific
domain in mind
<hadleybeeman> phila: this is coming up in spatial data on the
web
<hadleybeeman> ... My Occam's razor approach is to say the
group recognises it's really important. Maybe mention it
somewhere?
<PWinstanley> isn't data cube vocab an approach?
<hadleybeeman> ...But to be practical, we could hand it to sdw
<hadleybeeman> annette_g: Is is specifically spatila
<hadleybeeman> phila: no
<hadleybeeman> PWinstanley: Data cube slices fit in here too.
<ericstephan> if there is momentum in the spatial data then we
might be able to grow something from there. We are dealing with
subsetting on the temporal level
<hadleybeeman> phila: in spatial data, a slice isn't enough
<hadleybeeman> PWinstanley: We could have some simplistic cases
that are widely used
<hadleybeeman> ...How you push data into a leaflet map ...
critical for sortgin out good practice
<hadleybeeman> antoine: I'm not sure data cube slices sort the
problem. they can exist in one dataset.
<ericstephan> subsetting a graph (subgraph) another issue,
mathematical forests (trees of data another)
<hadleybeeman> ...Also, if it's an important issue, I think we
should have a BP. Perhaps make it super simple, saying
different domains have different criteria for subsetting;
<hadleybeeman> ...point to sdw for a specific example
<hadleybeeman> ericstephan: I'm concerned that if we don't have
a really good approach, it may not have an impact.
<hadleybeeman> ...Maybe we should think about it more broadly
in the future? I'm sceptical that it won't have much impact.
<hadleybeeman> phila: we could have an entire doc about this
<hadleybeeman> ...slicing isn't engouh; you also need to dice
it
<hadleybeeman> ...You also need to think re page media
<hadleybeeman> ...In the spatial world, that could give you a
number of tiles back.
<hadleybeeman> ...It could reduce the granularity of the data
until it fitted... There are a lot of options here.
<hadleybeeman> ...I'm looking for something realistic we could
say.
<hadleybeeman> ...Other groups have finished with a wishlist;
CSV on the Web has set up a community group...
<hadleybeeman> ...This is a substantial topic in its own right.
<hadleybeeman> ...If we can say something substantial, we
should -- but if not, we can do other things.
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about CGs, wish lists, next
steps
<ericstephan> Something that needs to be considered as well is
the impact on the implementation report
antoine: I think we can still have an impact if we simply say
that it's helpful to provide subsets
... if we just say something simple, that could bring a useful
message.
hadleybeeman: we need to wrap this up.
who can take this forward?
<ericstephan> The only part might be to think of datasets and
distributions. Thats the only thing that comes to mind
hadleybeeman: is there someone who wants to write now?
<ericstephan> address later
annette_g: I'd like to give it a try
hadleybeeman: something more for your weekend
also think about what could be left as future work
<phila> [21]Zagreb agenda
[21] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/ZagrebF2F#Agenda
Zagreb
hadleybeeman: last issue, during the f2f, we have times when
we're just talking about BP. Do vocab editors want to do
breakouts at those times?
... monday morning in particular
<RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to break on monday morning
phila: thinking about Antoine in particular
<ericstephan> my concern is that Berna is going to be in the BP
discussions, and Sumit won't be attending
antoine: I'm behind it
<ericstephan> from the DUV perspective
hadleybeeman: eric, that puts it in the middle of the night for
you
ericstephan: crazy as it sounds, I still want to attend
remotely
... not sure how much sense it makes to have overlap
might work for DQV more than DUV
<ericstephan> thank you and safe travels all
hadleybeeman: sounds like we should have DUV folks in with BP
people and DQV separate
<deirdrelee> thanks hadleybeeman !
<newton> bye! thanks
<deirdrelee> see you all next week
<newton> see you on monday
<RiccardoAlbertoni> bye all!
*bye!
<yaso> thank you, Hadley! and tks annette_g ! Bye all
<newton> or maybe sunday
<hadleybeeman> bye all!
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Annette to work on the BP for enriching data
before the f2f [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Hadley to review BP 22 [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Newton to follow up on issue 220 [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Peter to check on using an example about
real-time data for BP23 [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action02
[23] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action03
[24] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action04
[25] http://www.w3.org/2016/03/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action01
Summary of Resolutions
1. [26]Accept last week's minutes
[End of minutes]
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