- From: Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>
- Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 15:37:01 +0200
- To: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
- Cc: "public-dwbp-wg@w3.org" <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CANx1PzytQJocqeKi0Y+2GvRtb=UAA=5tYYitK0+OERGVuErbUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Thanks Antoine! I'm sorry, but I'm affraid that I didn't understand your comment. I agree that the formats are not the same, but the section starts like this: "The format in which data is made available to consumers is a key aspect of making that data usable." I think this is quite general, no? That's why I thought of talking about local-neutral representations here. cheers, Berna 2016-08-12 15:17 GMT+02:00 Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>: > Hi, > > Just reacting to the suggestion on adding locale-neutral formats in the > introduction of Section 8.8 Data formats [3]. > I think this wouldn't be appropriate. This section doesn't refer to the > same 'formats' I think. > > Best, > > Antoine > > On 10/08/16 19:18, Bernadette Farias Lóscio wrote: > >> Hi Annette, >> >> Yes, I agree that its gonna be complicated to add a new BP. But, I >> checked the data formats BP and I'm not sure if we can fit the >> locale-neutral formats ideas into the existing ones [1] and [2]. What do >> you think? Do you see a data format BP that is suitable for this? >> >> Another option would be to include a paragraph about locale-neutral >> formats in the introduction of Section 8.8 Data formats [3]. >> >> Thanks! >> Bernadette >> >> [1] https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#MachineReadableStandardizedFormat >> [2] https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#MultipleFormats >> [3] https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataFormats >> >> 2016-08-10 18:51 GMT+02:00 Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov <mailto: >> amgreiner@lbl.gov>>: >> >> I agree that it really ought to be its own new best practice, but it >> seems that we are past the point where we can add new ones. If we can, I >> would support adding a new one in the formats section. If we need to fit it >> into an existing BP, and you think it could work in with an existing >> formats BP, maybe you could give it a try and see how well you like it? It >> seems reasonable to me. >> >> -Annette >> >> >> On 8/10/16 8:48 AM, Bernadette Farias Lóscio wrote: >> >>> Hi Annette, >>> >>> Thanks for your answer! Please see more comments below. >>> >>> 2016-08-10 0:01 GMT+02:00 Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov >>> <mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov>>: >>> >>> Hi Berna, >>> >>> Good questions! >>> >>> I think metadata about locale parameters is something different >>> from locale-neutral representations. We could add a comma between them >>> (after the closing parenthesis) to make that more clear. Or we could change >>> "metadata about locale parameters" to "locale parameter metadata". >>> >>> I agree! and I like the last proposal: use locale parameter >>> metadata. >>> >>> I think the publisher has to do two different things, because >>> the two are different. They have to check the metadata and see that locale >>> parameters are there, and they also have to look at the data itself to see >>> that locale-sensitive fields are represented in a locale-neutral format. >>> Does that make sense? >>> >>> Yes, it makes sense for me and I agree with you. However, I'm not >>> convinced that BP 3 is the place to talk about locale-neutral formats. IMO >>> BP3 should be about metadata rather than data. I think talking about >>> locale-neutral formats in BP3 may be confusing. Besides the test involves >>> checking the data rather than the metadata. >>> >>> Maybe, locale-neutral formats should be discussed at Section 8.8 >>> Data Formats [1]. In this case, maybe we should add a new BP >>> "Internationalize your data using locale-neutral formats". I don't like the >>> idea of creating a new BP, but I'm afraid that this is a better solution. >>> What do you think about this? >>> >>> Thanks again! >>> Berna >>> >>> [1] https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataFormats < >>> https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataFormats> >>> >>> -Annette >>> >>> >>> On 8/9/16 8:58 AM, Bernadette Farias Lóscio wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Annette, >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot for your suggestion! I'd like to make just few >>>> questions: >>>> >>>> 1. When you say "Internationalize your data with metadata about >>>> locale parameters (date, time and number formats, language) and >>>> locale-neutral representations." it means that metadata are about locale >>>> parameters and locale-neutral representations? I understand that metadata >>>> is just about locale parameters. Is that correct? Could we say: "and use >>>> locale-neutral data representations."? >>>> >>>> 2. In the 'How to test section' of BP3 [1] we have three tests: >>>> the first two ones concern the use of locale parameters metadata and the >>>> third one is about the use of locale-neutral representations. My question >>>> is: the publisher have to do both things, i.e. to give metadata about >>>> locale parameters and use local-neutral representations, at the same time? >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> Berna >>>> >>>> [1] http://agreiner.github.io/dwbp >>>> /bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata <http://agreiner.github.io/dwb >>>> p/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata> >>>> >>>> 2016-08-06 1:28 GMT+02:00 Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov >>>> <mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov>>: >>>> >>>> Hi folks, >>>> >>>> Here is a suggestion of the text for BP 3, if we were to >>>> try and add in the information about locale-neutral formats. Besides >>>> changing the title and subtitle, I changed the very beginning of the Why >>>> paragraph to use the word "information" instead of "parameters". I removed >>>> the phrase suggesting that people use CLDR to localize data, as that goes >>>> against the idea of being locale neutral. I added a new paragraph just >>>> before EXAMPLE 3. I also added a locale-neutral bit to the example and a >>>> test for locale neutrality. This version also has the commit for the >>>> language tags. >>>> >>>> You can see the result at >>>> >>>> http://agreiner.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#metadata < >>>> http://agreiner.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#metadata> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Annette Greiner >>>> NERSC Data and Analytics Services >>>> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bernadette Farias Lóscio >>>> Centro de Informática >>>> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> ---------------- >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Annette Greiner >>> NERSC Data and Analytics Services >>> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Bernadette Farias Lóscio >>> Centro de Informática >>> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ---------------- >>> >> >> -- >> Annette Greiner >> NERSC Data and Analytics Services >> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Bernadette Farias Lóscio >> Centro de Informática >> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ---------------- >> > > -- Bernadette Farias Lóscio Centro de Informática Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Received on Friday, 12 August 2016 13:37:51 UTC