- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:08:59 +0100
- To: Public DWBP WG <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
The minutes of today's call are at
https://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes
Carol SHOULD NOT be scribing next week!
Text version below.
Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
29 Apr 2016
[2]Agenda
[2] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160429
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-irc
Attendees
Present
Caroline_, annette_g, antoine, phila_, ericstephan,
BernadetteLoscio, riccardoAlbertoni, deirdrelee, laufer
Regrets
Hadley
Chair
Dee
Scribe
Caroline_
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]BP Doc
2. [6]DQV
3. [7]DUV
* [8]Summary of Action Items
* [9]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
<phila> deirdrelee: Main focus today is all the activity that's
been going on around the BP doc
<phila> scribe please?
<phila> scribe: Caroline_
<phila> scribeNick: Caroline_
<deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes
[10]https://www.w3.org/2016/04/22-dwbp-minutes
[10] https://www.w3.org/2016/04/22-dwbp-minutes
<deirdrelee> +1
+1
<ericstephan> 0 absent
<BernadetteLoscio> +1
<annette_g> +1
<phila> +1
RESOLUTION: Accept last week's minutes
[11]https://www.w3.org/2016/04/22-dwbp-minutes
[11] https://www.w3.org/2016/04/22-dwbp-minutes
<antoine> 0 absent
<newton> +1
BP Doc
deirdrelee: about teh BP document
<deirdrelee> Caroline_: thanks to everyone, there were a lot of
meetings and mail exchanges that helped the doc a lot
[12]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered
_in_the_last_call_working_draft
[12]
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered_in_the_last_call_working_draft
<deirdrelee> ... regarding the table here on comments to be
considered, we started this thinking there would only be a
couple, but now it's huge
<deirdrelee> ... we sent an email yesterday with all the
commits we did, the resolved updates in the document
<phila> -> w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html Lastest editors' draft
<deirdrelee> ... i don't know if you had a chance to take a
look
<deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: in the column of the table, we
have resolution/implementation
<deirdrelee> ... some are in red because they have not been
implemented yet or have been partially resolution
<deirdrelee> ... we made a lot of progress. for the comments we
resolved, there is a commit for each comment
<scribe> scribe: Caroline_
deirdrelee: is there any big change in terms of BP being added
or removed?
BernadetteLoscio: the biggest changes are on the data
vocabulary section
... the 2 BPs about reuse vocabs and standardized terms were
merged
<scribe> ... new they became BP 15
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: on data preservation section Phil did a review
and changed some of the BPs
... maybe Phila could talk about it
... we also had changes on usage and use terms
<BernadetteLoscio> [13]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Reuse
[13] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Reuse
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: we proposed with annette_g and ericstephan to
write "republication'
... on the section [14]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Reuse
[14] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Reuse
<phila> [15]Subtitles
[15]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eSTt3A6kTfXYTcVMt5VGDardLIk8b7FnsgENpCuNRBA/edit#gid=0
<phila> [16]Intended Outcomes
[16]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qAX-nW2lditnyYt0MQdK0Jc-9IflWbcHI-yagT-EfA8/edit#gid=0
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: annette_g and phila worked on subtitles
<gatemezi> It's the first time I see the use of the term
"republication" in a doc on reusing data
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: we can discuss the API
... we need some help with the BP access real time
table:
[17]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered
_in_the_last_call_working_draft items 43 and 58
... the BP is the one bellow
[17]
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered_in_the_last_call_working_draft
<BernadetteLoscio>
[18]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#AccessRealTime
[18] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#AccessRealTime
table: we had some discussions about it with annette_g
we need some help with the approach to implementation and the
example
scribe: to improve the approach to implementation and the
example
<annette_g> I think we were hoping to find someone with
experience with streaming
PWinstanley: I will take a look on the comments
... it is the BP ericstephan and I did
... we have loads of information on that
<annette_g> I can help
BernadetteLoscio: annette_g would you have time to talk about
it?
annette_g: yes
ericstephan: I haven't had a chance to look at those comments
yet
... I'd like to help
annette_g: the things we need help with was the idea of
streaming
<ericstephan> I am working with streaming data
annette_g: it is a point about real time data
deirdrelee: ericstephan, PWinstanley and annette_g can discuss
that
<annette_g> yay Eric!
BernadetteLoscio: thank you
<ericstephan> and time series databases that collect streaming
data (influxdb)
<laufer> In think streaming is different from real time data
:)
BernadetteLoscio: about the API documentation
... item comments bellow
<gatemezi> Hmmm.. because you can also have real time streaming
data ...
<BernadetteLoscio> , 45, 46 and 61
BernadetteLoscio: there are mainly about the examples
<laufer> We can have a video stream...
<BernadetteLoscio>
[19]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
[19] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
BernadetteLoscio: because the examples are related to
geospatial data
<laufer> it is different of an array of sensor information
published in real time
<gatemezi> I suggest to have the definition in the glossary of
the two terms
BernadetteLoscio: there is the link for the BP
[20]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
... about the examples
[20] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
deirdrelee: you are looking for good examples that are not from
the geospatial domain?
BernadetteLoscio: it would be nice if we had a real example
... we discussed that would be nice if we had an example of API
that also shows the documentation
<laufer> [21]https://arrayofthings.github.io/
[21] https://arrayofthings.github.io/
deirdrelee: I should be able to help with that
action for deirdrelee help with the example of BP
[22]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
[22] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
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action to deirdrelee help with the example of BP
[24]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
[24] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
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<phila> ACTION: deirdrelee to help with the example of BP
[26]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded
in [27]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
[26] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
[27] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
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<phila> ACTION: lee to help with the example of BP
[29]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded
in [30]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]
[29] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
[30] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]
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<phila> ACTION: deirdre to help with the example of BP
[31]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded
in [32]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action03]
[31] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
[32] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-275 - Help with the example of bp
[33]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentyourapi [on
Deirdre Lee - due 2016-05-06].
[33] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentyourapi
phila: this new data usa site is a visualization site , an app
that would be a good example of gatemezi point
... it give us an example of reuse
<phila> -> [34]DataUSA
[34] http://datausa.io/
<phila> [35]DataUSA
[35] http://datausa.io/
annette_g: about the API
deirdrelee: if it is documentation about the API
annette_g: we were thinking for both
... if we build a API sample and check the documentation to see
how it work
BernadetteLoscio: that would be good because we can also use
the API as an example for other BPs
ericstephan: PWinstanley and I found that
... we could show an example using an API collectiong real time
data
<gatemezi> Cool that DataUSA phila
ericstephan: I wrote a HTML form useing a DWBP example
... I put in our repository
<ericstephan> dwbp-realtime-example.html
ericstephan: just to let eveyone know
deirdrelee: I will look at that
<laufer> maybe this could help -
[36]http://www.markus-lanthaler.com/hydra/
[36] http://www.markus-lanthaler.com/hydra/
<newton> @phila I spend some time trying to find a way of solve
that issue with the fragment urls on the dwbp-example and I did
it:
[37]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-example.html#dataset-structu
ral-metadata
[37]
http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-example.html#dataset-structural-metadata
BernadetteLoscio: it would be nice if it is using the same
example we have about transports
ericstephan: we try to build about bus crossing
... we tried to came back to the bus scenario
deirdrelee: BernadetteLoscio and I will take a look on that
<ericstephan> yes that's fine
I can take a look also :)
<ericstephan> I just wanted you to know if helpful
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask if the API could be functional
phila: do you want to have a function API?
... it would be as simple as possible
<ericstephan> javascript with a json object in the html
<BernadetteLoscio> I like the idea :)
phila: a real function API for fictional buses
ericstephan: when we talked about it a couple of weeks back
people said that we shouldn't do something that might desapear
<ericstephan> +1 phila
phila: if we create a bus thing the API could be a javascript
code in the doc
ericstephan: was +1 to phila
newton: I like the idea of doing an API
... I have concerns if someone is reading the document that
person could think that it is an example of doing an API
... we just want to show that API working
... not an example of how to do an API
<annette_g> The data wouldn't have to really change
<gatemezi> FYI, I really like the way at southampton here
[38]http://data.southampton.ac.uk/datasets.html, and the way
they describe catalogs and apps. Maybe could be used as
implementation of some BPs?
[38] http://data.southampton.ac.uk/datasets.html,
<ericstephan> @annette_g I liked your idea about swagger to
document an API
BernadetteLoscio: if we make this clear on the text it wouldn't
be a problem
<annette_g> I think Swagger will be the most complex part of it
deirdrelee: I see the potential problem there
<laufer> Maybe we can use Hydra Core Vocabulary to document the
API (A Vocabulary for Hypermedia-Driven Web APIs)...
deirdrelee: one thing is the API and another is the
documentation
... BP 23 or 24 show that
... a guideline could be more of what newton was talking about
... if we do provide an API we could point out why approaching
this way or another is good
BernadetteLoscio: I agree
<annette_g> we do have text about such things, but we need an
example
BernadetteLoscio: for making an API I think we discussed that
we shouldn't give guidelines on how to build APIs
... we should be more careful about it
<ericstephan> that's a good point BernadetteLoscio
BernadetteLoscio: it is about frameworks to help building API
<gatemezi> +1 to BernadetteLoscio point
BernadetteLoscio: it would be nice to have a real API
... the focus should be how to access the data using an API
instead of building an API
deirdrelee: to enhance the examples and incorporate some of the
things we discussed today
a
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[40]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-realtime-example.html
[40] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-realtime-example.html
ction deirdree to enhance the examples and incorporate some of
the things we discussed today
<deirdrelee> ACTION: deirdreto enhance the examples and
incorporate some of the things we discussed today [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action04]
[41] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action04]
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<phila> ACTION: deirdre to enhance the examples and incorporate
some of the things we discussed today [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action05]
[43] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-276 - Enhance the examples and
incorporate some of the things we discussed today [on Deirdre
Lee - due 2016-05-06].
BernadetteLoscio: about the intended outcomes
<BernadetteLoscio>
[44]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata
[44] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata
[45]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qAX-nW2lditnyYt0MQd
K0Jc-9IflWbcHI-yagT-EfA8/edit#gid=0
[45]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qAX-nW2lditnyYt0MQdK0Jc-9IflWbcHI-yagT-EfA8/edit#gid=0
phila: my motivations to write that way was that we agreed that
we wouldn't use "machine should be this"
... no should or must added
annette_g: I wasn't sure if we should start with "that" or "to"
phila: the subject of the sentenced is the intended outcome
<gatemezi> I was wondering why the links of the BPs do not
deref to the specific part in the doc...Is it a browser issue
or just me having this "small issue"?
annette_g: just writing it in future tense might solve it
... some of them are already in future tense
BernadetteLoscio: before we sent a message that we were using
the future
... we had comments saying that should be in the present
<phila> Current To enable data consumers to know that data that
is referred to from the current dataset is unavailable or only
available under different conditions.
<ericstephan> back to the future?
phila: let's take this example
... changing that to:
<phila> Consumers will know that data that is referred to from
the current dataset is unavailable or only available under
different conditions.
<ericstephan> Just be consistent imo
BernadetteLoscio: if you don't mind you may change
phila: I will do it
action phila to change all the phrases of intedend outcomes to
present. E.g. Consumers will know that data that is referred to
from the current dataset is unavailable or only available under
different conditions.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-277 - Change all the phrases of
intedend outcomes to present. e.g. consumers will know that
data that is referred to from the current dataset is
unavailable or only available under different conditions. [on
Phil Archer - due 2016-05-06].
BernadetteLoscio: we still have the BPs about feedback and up
to date access, which we will work with annette_g
... it was a great team work this week
... we are really happy. Thank you everybody for the
contributions!
<annette_g> Eds are really great, too!
<gatemezi> Yes, great Eds!
<phila> We're very close to a documetn freeze
BernadetteLoscio: we will try to finish everything and as soon
we finish this I we will freeze the document
... so the WG participants can review the changes
<phila> Time is very tight
BernadetteLoscio: in the beggining of next week we might finish
it
deirdrelee: I will try to get back on Tuesday
BernadetteLoscio: as soon as we finish it we will let the group
know
... it is important to keep in mind that we shouldn't do big
changes after Monday
... if anyone has a big change to make, please do it before
Monday
... you can go to the commit that is on the table
[46]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered
_in_the_last_call_working_draft and see the changes
[46]
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered_in_the_last_call_working_draft
DQV
<riccardoAlbertoni>
[47]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
[47] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
deirdrelee: antoine and riccardoAlbertoni could you give us an
update?
<antoine>
[48]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_schedule
[48] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_schedule
antoine: we are working on the vocabs
... check the link
[49]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_schedule
[49] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_schedule
<antoine> [50]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/products/2
[50] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/products/2
antoine: the link above has the open issues and actions
... this week we closed some of them
... ther are some open issues
... we are ready to work on them before the next working draft
pubilcation
deirdrelee: you prefer to release the next working draft and
then the final one?
antoine: yes
... when it is ready to last call we are willing to publish as
a working draft
riccardoAlbertoni: we ask the group to guve us feedback about
the document
... about editorial things and the way we are editing it
deirdrelee: it is good to dedicate complete meeting on that as
all
<phila> phila: Just to say thank you to Antoine and Riccardo
for all their continuing work. The WG should indeed give the
work some proper attention.
deirdrelee: we can dedicate a complete Friday to DWV and DUV
phila: thank you both of you
deirdrelee: we will have to vote to publish it as a final
working note
... we need to be aware of what has been made
... is our responsability to keep up with it as well
<ericstephan> [51]https://www.force11.org/meetings/force2016
[51] https://www.force11.org/meetings/force2016
ericstephan: I did go to the force11 conference last week
<ericstephan>
[52]https://figshare.com/articles/Stephan_DUV_Poster_Force2016_
pdf/3179935
[52]
https://figshare.com/articles/Stephan_DUV_Poster_Force2016_pdf/3179935
DUV
ericstephan: I had a conversation with ??
<ericstephan> [53]https://www.w3.org/community/scholarlyhtml/
[53] https://www.w3.org/community/scholarlyhtml/
ericstephan: it is a very interesting network in terms of
metadata this [54]https://www.w3.org/community/scholarlyhtml/
... there are good contributions to be made
[54] https://www.w3.org/community/scholarlyhtml/
<phila> One of the key people in that CG as well as Peter M-R
is Robin Berjon, until recently the HTML editor
ericstephan: they are not using SPARQL, they are using JSON-LD
<ericstephan> Compliance to Best Practices Metadata #1, #2, #4,
Data Licensing #5 Identifiers #10, #12, Vocabularies #15, #16
ericstephan: I do want to have that on the data usage vocab
... maybe we can have on both vocabs
... some of the editing comments BernadetteLoscio provided we
are working on that
deirdrelee: between now and the final working note you will put
out another working draft?
ericstephan: yes
deirdrelee: now to 3 weeks we can freeze and vote
<phila> So we're looking at big voting session on 20 May?
deirdrelee: then we can move on to the final working note
<ericstephan> When can the DUV have Berna back? :-)
<annette_g> A truly impressive portion of that big table has
been resolved.
deirdrelee: by next week we try to freeze and see how it goes
<BernadetteLoscio> soon Eric ;)
<ericstephan> great :-)
yes, annette_g! :) thank you so much for all you help!
phila: I agree but May 20 is already late in our schedule
<BernadetteLoscio> Annette, and they are implemented already ;)
phila: I think May 20 is the latest we have
<ericstephan> Caroline_ I meant to say that SPAR ontologies not
sparql
<annette_g> bye all!
deirdrelee: talk to you all next week
<riccardoAlbertoni> thanks .. bye
<laufer> bye... nice...
thank you ericstephan for this correction :)
<gatemezi> Ciao!
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: deirdre to enhance the examples and incorporate
some of the things we discussed today [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: deirdre to help with the example of BP
[56]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded
in [57]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: deirdrelee to help with the example of BP
[58]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded
in [59]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: deirdreto enhance the examples and incorporate
some of the things we discussed today [recorded in
[60]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: lee to help with the example of BP
[61]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI [recorded
in [62]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]
[55] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action05
[56] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
[57] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action03
[58] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
[59] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action01
[60] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action04
[61] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
[62] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html#action02
Summary of Resolutions
1. [63]Accept last week's minutes
https://www.w3.org/2016/04/22-dwbp-minutes
[End of minutes]
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